Technically Shadow Scales still exist since they are born under lunar alignment in service to the king of Blackmarsh they just aren't trained by the Dark Brotherhood...for now.

When thinks like this happen just roleplay around it, Vazeera might not have known about another training camp that you went to, I can see why Bethesda destroyed a lot of stuff for Skyrim though, the situation is supposed to be pretty dire, that's not to say the shadowscales couldn't come back though...

Also don't forget that you are in a situation were the empire is falling appart.
Most provinces of tamerial don't belong no more to the empire.
so when staibilty falls also does some organisations.
And what happens now is like 200 years after the oblivion crisis.

Hey you guys got it easy, they're may still be hope for SSs Beth was so tired of fans liking Morrowind they practically dropped a nuke on the place to shut us up

Well to be honest, I never liked Morrowind.
I like the gameplay and all the stuff you could do, but im no fan of the province nor elves...

Yippee? Personally Morrowind really made me like the Dunmer and the location just cause it was so alien in comparison to what we know. So I was not happy to hear of it's outcome in such a bizarre fashion. However I'm no fan of Argonians just more in different really but that doesn't mean I want them to remove a cool piece of their lore.

It can't be always about Dunmer.
I think bethesda is trying to locate each game in one of tamriel provinces.
Maybe it will be blackmarch or elywer next time.
And in each Elder scroll there is a big presence of elves or elve culture.
Morowind => Elves
Alyeids => Elves
Dwemmer => Elves

Logical since they pretty much started the entire thing in the first place.

I can think of only two races that are relatively immune to the infleuince of elves, Argonians and Redguards and Argonians were still captured or sold as slaves a lot and Redguards live around Dwemer Ruins.

What about the Khajiit terrorist organisation operating in Leyawiin ?? Why haven't we heard anything more on them.

Why would we have? They were an organization that concerned itself only with one city in the imperial province, not even that important a city. The only places where they would be relevant would be in Cyrodiil or Elsweyr and after the great war and the conquering of Leyawiin by Altmer, the splitting of Elsweyr into two different nations it just seems irrelevant.

To make it even worse, consider other things we have heard little about. The destruction that took place in Morrowind, the possible destruction of one or more great houses. The religion changes Morrowind must have gone through, the death of the Tribunal, the Mede line of Emperors, the aftermath of the Oblivion crisis and the cost of rebuilding the Empire, the pillaging not even that long ago of one of the most important cities along the Illiac Bay, the civil war in Hammerfall, etc.

Let's face it, Skyrim is pretty much looking towards Skyrim first and second. The rest of Tamriel can be damned and if even a little information comes through we should be happy about it, no reason to expect people to really concern themselves with Leyawiin.

I'm just saying a few more books would have been nice, I found very few new one's in Skyrim that I hadn't already read in Oblivion.

well after the events in tes 4 bravil was sacked during the war and the brotherhood was losing contracts cause there was no proper way for them to get them (note for those who did not play tes4 bruma was a key location for a certain well-known member of the db) so they started to move out of areas such as blackmarsh morrowwind and the such because in morrowwind they had a group there that was not db but basically they were losing and they moved

Yeah.... Thanks for naming the specific book I needed to read... Good advice.
Thanks for all the great input, the fact they haven't been "wiped out" is great, seeing as I can encorperate the shadow scales into my new fan fic.

I never said it should be. I'm just saying it was a little messed up how they took all that amazing lore from Morrowind and blew the snot out of it. Just cause there is going to be a big presence of elf culture doesn't mean they should have wiped off a really interesting one off the face of the map.

Oblivion game hope that the Dunmer were changing as a people with the end of slavery and trying evolve themselves. The disaster basically ruins them as an effective nation and gives them a reason to hate people again.

Another small piece of lore I still can't believe they changed is the Dunmer being well-balanced in Archery, Blade, and Destruction magic. Why in Skyrim did they some how lose that? They now have Illusion, where did that come from?

I much prefer what happened in Skyrim to the Dunmer then what happened in Oblivion.

Besides with hindsight the disaster was waiting to happen. Vivec himself said worship would move away from the Tribunal. Two of the three are dead and the only reason that rock floated is because the people loved Vivec. The Nerevarine started a chain of events that could not be stopped. That we failed to see it coming isn't the fault of the Devs.

Moving away from slavery and more into the Empire however surely was, that completely destroyed what made their culture so unique.

Well like most publishers now => casualisation.

A solid RPG or rpg elements can "scare" players off. Because any choice of youre build has his importance and if you missed, well its over.

The fact is, that in morrowind and in oblivion, the choice of the race is important for how you will play.
In Skyrim this mechanic is pretty much inexistant, you could choice to play an orc an still mass invest in magick....

You could be a very effective Orc Mage in Morrowind too, it was just harder at the start and became easier later on once you reached high enough skills. Pretty much like it should be. Orcs, Nords, Redguards, Imperials, Arognians, Bosmer, Khajiit all should have a harder time using magic then a Breton, Dunmer or Altmer would, on the other hand an Altmer would have a harder time sneaking around then a Bosmer or a Khajiit who are both better at bows as well and Orcs and Nords should have easier times in heavy armor or with strong heavy weapons because their race is simply more powerful.

If you wanted to be the exception to the rule you could be, but it would take more time and effort and there is nothing wrong with that.

So when exactly ate they going to bounce back! No but extinguished them... Why did Bethesda even pull that carp getting rid of them?

Black Marsh experienced great political upheavel in the aftermath of the Oblivion crisis the Dark Brotherhood went into great decline, with everything that happened between Oblvion and Skyrim I don't see how the shadowscales could have survived. Think of it as collateral damage.

There's still "Shadowscales" in the literal sense. There's still Argonians being born under the sign of the Shadow, who are perfectly capable of being trained to assassin-hood. Veezara is just the last one to be formally trained.

However, there's nothing stating that the program couldn't make a return with the rebuild of the brotherhood.

The politics of Black Marsh have changed much they might not go along with the program should it return.

Besides Umbriel, what else happened to Black Marsh? They successfully seceded from the Empire and they utterly destroyed Morrowind, so it sounds like they're doing pretty good.

Also, I can't imagine a new leader deciding to do away with the Shadow Scales. A league of assassins sworn to loyally serve you and never refuse an order? Can't see why the King of Black Marsh would say they need to go.

Is this revealed in a ingame book? If so which one is it? Sounds like a good read

Seceding from the empire doesn't exactly make everything sunshine and roses. Without the empire, you're cutting off 80% of your trade profits. With morrowind destroyed, Black Marsh's neighboring provinces aren't trading with them anymore. (Cyrodil being Empire, and Elsweyr being part of the Domininon)

I imagine this would hurt Black Marsh's economy, leading to hardship and government downfall.

I can't imagine that trade is entirely cut off with Black Marsh. The Dominion has no reason to boycott the Argonians (Khajiit have even less reason to) so I doubt they'd cut off trade with Black Marsh. I don't think the Empire would cut off trade either. They probably took everything Morrowind had worth taking when they raided, so the loss of Morrowind isn't that big to them I'd wager.

Also, they've been independent for 200 years, and I can't imagine they haven't spent that time restoring diplomatic relations with their neighbors (other than Morrowind). They've had a lot of time to become self-sustaining and all that goodness.