Destruction spells? : V - Skyrim

» Tue Jun 19, 2012 9:33 am

Yeah, and it's one of the best examples at how broken Enchanting is.

*gasp* you mean I have INCREASE MY MAGICKA and TAKE ALL THOSE "CAST X FOR HALF MAGICKA perks to play a mage?! Outrage!

Actually I thought I was being pretty generous with allowing you to cast five spells. You want to use any type of armour? That costs a lot of magicka. What about a paralyze spell? Yep that's another pile of it. I wonder how much magicka I will have left after I cast all my support spells. hmm.

» Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:55 am

*sigh*

Incinerate is an Expert Destruction projectile spell. With all respective perks and 100 points in Destruction skill it does http://pix.playground.ru/download/gallery/276634/50e8daba5e114517a39423a0f97e9823.jpg.

One can brew http://pix.playground.ru/download/gallery/276634/cd60cbe2db9c2ea7bdde5aec36bc3967.jpg from such ingridients like Ectoplasm and Glow Dust.

After drinking it the total damage of an Incineration spell comes to http://pix.playground.ru/download/gallery/276634/5ad5be549d4ca4b134369fd0f09b68c0.jpg.

With the Destruction Dual Cast perk that damage is increased to 220% of the original and deals 562 points of damage. Bows deal http://pix.playground.ru/download/gallery/276634/b78438ee5d4a7f4541b15d28188948e8.jpg.

Mana cost can be reduced to zero via enchantments.

You're forgetting about potions fortifying archery. Also, the hunting bow is the second worst bow in the game. It's too weak to be compared with an Expert spell.

» Tue Jun 19, 2012 6:23 am

You're forgetting about potions fortifying archery. Also, the hunting bow is the second worst bow in the game. It's too weak to be compared with an Expert spell.

No, I'm not forgetting anything.

Every other bow looks either too ugly or too pompous.

» Tue Jun 19, 2012 5:23 am

Nope, it's on par with Archery in damage

No it isn't.

» Tue Jun 19, 2012 6:54 am

No it isn't.

Yeah it is. Destruction: Lower damage, higher dps. Archery - the other way around.

Some proof would be welcome too.

» Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:21 am

Yeah it is. Destruction: Lower damage, higher dps. Archery - the other way around.

Some proof would be welcome too.

Okay, follow with me here. Expert level spells cost a lot of magicka to cast, without enchating you can cast three of four. Archery has no such disability. Archery gets sneak attacks, Destruction does not. Archery does more damage the greater your skill in Archery, Destruction does not. Bows do the bows damage plus the arrows' damage and poisons can be applied to the bow. The bow can also be enchanted to do fire damage and the like, destruction cannot.

So yeah, you said it yourself, "Destruction does lower damage", but it does not do higher dps since you'll run out of magicka before that point, unless we're talking about only 2 seconds here...

» Tue Jun 19, 2012 12:31 am

Okay, follow with me here. Expert level spells cost a lot of magicka to cast, without enchating you can cast three of four. Archery has no such disability. Archery gets sneak attacks, Destruction does not. Archery does more damage the greater your skill in Archery, Destruction does not. Bows do the bows damage plus the arrows' damage and poisons can be applied to the bow. The bow can also be enchanted to do fire damage and the like, destruction cannot.

And your point is? :blink:

We are talking pure damage per shot and dps, no elemental damage enchantments, no poisons, sneaking bonuses are irrelevant. It's also not nice to be rude like that.

» Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:45 pm

Faralda at the mage college can upgrade you skill, however it will cost ya. I say just use the spells you do have this will upgrade your skill naturally free of charge and of course along the way you will likely find new spells laying about. Save your gold for now.

» Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:51 pm

And your point is? :blink:

We are talking pure damage per shot and dps, no elemental damage enchantments, no poisons, sneaking bonuses are irrelevant. It's also not nice to be rude like that.

I wasn't being rude at all. But if we're talking about pure damage, you already said that Bows win in that regard. Well, they also do more dps since the mage will run out of magicka within 5 seconds (no enchantments remember) while the archer will not. Boom, archery wins.

» Tue Jun 19, 2012 12:57 am

Yeah, but surviving with only apprentice level spells is nearly impossible after about level 15. And the horrible "targeting" system where you are apparently aiming with your left hand from the middle of your chest is frustrating. I won't even go into the lovely problem of trying to remember to throw left-hand spells with the right hand button and vice versa on the PC. (Drives me crazy.)

The first thing I noticed was that the left and right mouse buttons were wrong. It was also the first thing I changed in the settings so it doesn't have to be an issue at all. You have to wonder why right is left and left is right but whatever, it's easily changed.

At level 15 you should be at adept level so I don't know where you're putting your perks?

» Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:58 am

I wasn't being rude at all. But if we're talking about pure damage, you already said that Bows win in that regard. Well, they also do more dps since the mage will run out of magicka within 5 seconds (no enchantments remember) while the archer will not. Boom, archery wins.

ok

» Tue Jun 19, 2012 9:12 am

And your point is? :blink:

We are talking pure damage per shot and dps, no elemental damage enchantments, no poisons, sneaking bonuses are irrelevant. It's also not nice to be rude like that.

Umm, aren't enchantments, poisons, potions, and sneaking all quite relevant to this discussion? It isn't like those factors evenly affect archery and destruction. Archery definitely gains a lot more from them. Destruction? Beyond potions for damage it just gets to not cost a ton of magicka which eventually puts it on equal footing to archery in terms of magicka/stamina cost (essentially).

This gets to part of the big problem with destruction and magic. Other sources of damage have a ton of things that improve their effect. Outside of potions, magick only has cost reducers.

» Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:42 am

The problem is two fold then;

Without supporting skills, destruction loses to archery;
With, destruction becomes exponentially worse. :laugh:

» Tue Jun 19, 2012 5:17 am

*sigh* Incinerate is an Expert Destruction projectile spell. With all respective perks and 100 points in Destruction skill it does http://pix.playground.ru/download/gallery/276634/50e8daba5e114517a39423a0f97e9823.jpg. One can brew http://pix.playground.ru/download/gallery/276634/cd60cbe2db9c2ea7bdde5aec36bc3967.jpg from such ingridients like Ectoplasm and Glow Dust. After drinking it the total damage of an Incineration spell comes to http://pix.playground.ru/download/gallery/276634/5ad5be549d4ca4b134369fd0f09b68c0.jpg. With the Destruction Dual Cast perk that damage is increased to 220% of the original and deals 562 points of damage. Bows deal http://pix.playground.ru/download/gallery/276634/b78438ee5d4a7f4541b15d28188948e8.jpg. Mana cost can be reduced to zero via enchantments.

Don't forget the arrow damage & sneak perks. Throw a 6x sneak attack damage in there and it's now 3000 points of damage excluding the arrow. Not to mention you can usually stay relatively hidden and get off a LOT of arrows before the enemy can reach you. Once you cast your out of magicka and the whole world knows you are there. Fortify archery smithed gear adds even more.

I have 100 destruction with all the destruction perks, and a partially perked archery, yet my archery is much more reliable in most situations.