So I bought NV about three days after launch, I ceased playing do to the corrupt file bug about a week before Black Ops.
(What annoys me is Trey Arch have already tweaked Black Ops a few times).

I actually was patient this time around with faulty games, I lent the game to my brother while you guys resolved the issue. My brother called me last night to inform me of a problem he was having, I smiled because I already knew what he was about to say. He only put 22 hours in, I put well over 40 hours I even warned him before hand to make several saved files - his gaming experience ended in Vault 2 right after a hard-locked door. He was super stoked because he had just leveled up and maxed his lock picking before he approached it.

Me? I'm an exceptional gamer and I understand these types of things - I've had plenty of patience dealing with the ups and downs of this video game industry but my brother is the type of guy that picks up a game and if it doesn't appeal to him in his own special way he doesn't play it. Well I can say that you've ruined his perception for the Fallout series as well as Oblivion and that's a shame because we grew through our early years playing the first morrowind editions.

I can say this openly and confidently that I've experienced trouble in Oblivion, Morrowind Scrolls, FO3 and now Vegas and probably more If I had just invested more than 10 hours in the other games, which leads me to believe is that as far as you guys go? 10 hours of testing and insight in your games before you release them? Are you so greedy that you couldn't allow more if any beta testers to help find issues?

I wish that another company would have picked your ideas right from under you guys, and created a suitable playable game. I've had it, the only way you'll get me to play your games is if you send them in the mail with a letter apologizing for nearly a decade of mishaps and let downs. It would greatly benefit you, because if you had sent me a copy of NV before launch I would have sent you a thorough detailed description on everything that caused a disturbance or inconvenience as well as ideas to help improvise your creation.

I'm sure by now the lead developers have stopped reading the forums due to all the spam but I feel its necessary to apply this pressure to let you know how many people you have upset. All of my active friends on Xbox live have encountered the same issue, that's ten people that I know and I'm hardly the diplomat.

I wouldn't be so angry if I wouldn't have checked the "Game Updates" and seen that the latest post was on the 18th and it's entirely a summarized recap of the post on the 5th! HOW COULD YOU BE RUNNING FINALIZED TESTING IF YOU'RE STILL ADDING "TOUCHES" TO THE GAME!?

Why is there even a sticky for game updates when THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY? I find that ironic as well as the name of your franchise, because all it reveals to me is the indeed "Fallout" of your company's name and the overall work ethics of your employees.

Go ahead lock this thread, upon doing so I will have myself video taped returning Fallout NV to my local gamestop for instore credit or I will take the liberty of filming myself using my "IRL" SUPER TECH SLEDGEHAMMER to reduce this disk of [censored] to several thousand pieces with one swing while shirtless so you can see every fiber of rage in my veins and overall body composure so you know how angry I am for paying $60.00 for this utter failure.

I will video response every video uploaded on youtube by your company upon this thread being locked, for my money I did not experience satisfaction now take responsibility and succumb to my last request allow this thread to be open for public discussion it will help keep the spam down and allow me to get some satisfaction in knowing that your website that you pay monthly for is full of rants and raves from unhappy customers that are pissed off that they spent $60 this close to the holidays on a cheaply made material that is collecting dust. In quite possibly one of the biggest letdowns in gaming history, I don't want to see anything from your company in the next E3 how dare you build us up for this obscene game.

Sincerely,
UNSATISFIED

Umm there actually has been an update for the Xbox albeit a minor one already, it's the full patch that is still being worked on at the moment. Personally I would prefer that they take the time to ensure that the patch does not cause as many if not more problems than it fixes, which I presume is one of the main reasons it is taking as long as it is.

I know that quite often fixing a bug can cause another one (or more) to appear which can be just as bad if not worse than the fixed bug as I have seen it happen quite often in MMO's (yes I know that New Vegas is not an MMO, but it still applies for bug/glitch fixing).

Wow, and I thought I was mad about losing my level 29 (90 hour save). I sympathize. But I guess Im not as mad as you, just went back to a 25 hour save, and have been COMPLETELY avoiding even getting remotely close to any vaults. (vault 3 for me). But to add to my overall frustration, I now get total game/ console freeze at LEAST 3 times every time I play. Ive gotten to where I save like Im compulsive.

A minor patch? I haven't downloaded anything from updates since I've bought the game sometime around October 24th? Issues this large and that are found in every game copy is not something that should be released I mean they made the game playable somewhat to release collecting bank knowing that people are about to start complaining - They had time to take a break so that the developers could enjoy their holidays and in a sense I can understand that but the way I view the overall industry of gaming they have a very easy job, I know that each department breaks down and works on a certain aspect but the career they have anticipated is a highly growing field if the people that work for you aren't motivated to create VIDEO GAMES? I'm sure there is people out there that would love to trade places and that are just as qualified.

I mean you sit behind a computer all day pursuing your passion, trade places with someone that does manual labor then learn a new found appreciation for your job I'm sure most of the overweight nerds you have working for you couldn't even take on the lowest responsibility of a roofing company or manual labor based job.

Don't sell me trash for my hard earned money, and yes indeed my money is hard earned.

If you clear your Xbox's memory Cache and restart the game it will ask to download the minor update/patch I mentioned or at least it does in the Uk.

I was actually playing when the first patch came out. It signed me out and told me theres an available update, and that I had to accept to sign back in and keep playing.

I finally got CodBo after losing patience waiting for the patch, i didnt trade in Fonv yet but with Dao 2 out early in the new year i think its a goner.
Its good to be playing a game without worrying about freezes/bugs/having to clear cahces every hour or so. (which i have personally never had to do for any game in all the years ive had my xbox)
Watch and learn when Dao 2 is released to see how it should be done (Obsidian/Bethseda) as you cant really compare Fonv with CodBo for complexity.
I will buy new fallout/Elder scroll games in the future but only if they are by Bethseda alone and not dumped off to another company (Obsidian) while they concentrate on new projects(Brink/Elder scroll v),
and even then they better get it right as its the last chance of keeping me as a customer.

Well, theoretically you waste your money to every time you buy a game because the depreciation of games. Most people sell their games back to gamestop for less that 50% of is original price just because it's always an option and the thought of owning a game you know you'll never play again rotting, decreasing in value provokes trade ins.

Unless you are quite the entrepreneur beating a game and selling it to your friends for 25-30% less than the original price which in my case is hard to due, not many of my friends are going to await my completion of a title so they can experience it.

Back to the subject, I can't get a refund obviously just another copy of the game which won't help me because it seems every copy is infected. New games are constantly releasing and judging just from the overall crowd of video games I'm guessing your parents buy and support your hobbies and needs but I work 40 or more hours a week and I don't have the time to play like you would. I have two days a week I can invest into a games after I invest some free time with my girlfriend which is first priority in my life.

I liked it back when you could buy games at Walmart and if you didn't like them they would give you money on a card for store purchases which goes a lot more than in store credit in gamestop which is only an option after 7 days of purchase.

I'm aware, and yes you are correct as I took every option and method I found to try to find away around the problem.

My concerns are within the vaults, companions, and quest/save bugs.

My total invested game time has been avoiding quests and areas as well as traveling without companions features that were implemented to make the game more fun and I'm actually playing a game avoiding the gameplay within it's self.

Edit: As for future releases I MAY contradict myself and pick up a preowned version of the 5th installment of morrowind after it's been out for 3-4 months. To ensure I'll have the first time experience every customer desires. First impressions are everything, I'd make a poster and put that in every hallway of Bethesda.

Yep. It certainly will.

Hi there. First off, welcome to the forum! :wave:

Now let's clear up some misunderstandings, here. To begin with, Moderators are not Bethesda (or Oblivion) employees. We're volunteers picked from this community to help keep this a nice place for people to go to talk about these games. I live in Kodiak, Alaska - which is about as far from Bethesda's office as you can get, within the United States. (I believe Summer is even further away, geographically. And there's a number of us who aren't even in the same country.) When a thread gets locked, it can be for any number of reasons (which are outlined in the http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1120447-important-forum-information/.)

Bad-mouthing the company, talking about a game's faults, blowing off steam, or otherwise venting, is not - of itself - a reason for which we lock a thread. Ever. Personally, Bethesda isn't even one of my favorite developers. I had fun with Elder Scrolls for awhile, but it's really not my "thing." Fallout 3 wasn't really what I was looking for in a Fallout sequel, but I had fun with it. Fallout: New Vegas (barring the obvious polish issues,) I feel is an improvement on a template that I find less-than-ideal, and somewhat dated. I come to this forum for the level of discourse to be found here. You're allowed to say whatever you want about Bethesda, Obsidian, and their games (so long as it's forum-appropriate, and within our regulations.) You're not going to hurt my feelings.

Threats, like the above, therefore, aren't going to have any bearing on whether or not I lock a thread. Generally, we don't allow duplicate topics on this forum (so as to keeps things at least marginally organized and well-ordered.) There's already a couple of what I'll call (for lack of a better word) "complaint threads" on this sub-forum. So understand that I'm giving you some lee-way already, by not locking this thread and redirecting discussion to one that's already ongoing.

Conversation on this subject is free to continue, so long as it's civil, on-topic and in-fighting and flaming is kept to a minimum. If things devolve quicker than I can play clean-up, or if I simply don't have the time, there's a chance (like every other thread on this forum) that it may be locked. So to everyone here - please play nice. While debate is encouraged, personal attacks (and I haven't seen any yet, after a brief read-through) are not allowed.

Thanks in advance for listening, and understanding. :thumbsup:

Ah, well I know that the moderators are most of the time volunteers and as far as my statements I direct none of this towards you in anyway or form. Unless you take the company's best interest personally, which you don't so I feel no regret.

As for making it so direct and in the form of a threat, I've dealt with many moderators on several forums many are young and easily distressed or eager to flex their power. So I'm glad that we have an equal understanding moderator in this forum, I seen that a thread was locked below due to too many threads on the same subject. I tried to make this thread unique from the others but its hard to when the issues lies within a certain common problem.

Anyway, my overall reason for creating this thread is to let the company know that if they had knowledge of this problem which I find it hard to believe that didn't, they shouldn't release games I could have bought something else or saved my money. The video game market isn't very kind with letting its consumers have a fair way of getting their money back if the merchandise they bought is unsatisfactory. Bethesda knows this, which lead me to rant in their forums - I want their attention, we are not just petty uneducated consumers that think its a miracle when a video game is created and that we should believe that there is such complexity in the creation that its impossible to perfect a game.

I have not seen any troubles in AC:BH or Fable 3 and I realize they don't go that far depth wise but it just goes to show, if you are making a bigger game it takes more time. Should have started earlier or pushed your associates goals, never ever release a unfinished game because you want to release it before the holiday season or use marketing 101 to have it available before other major titles are available.

Again, Nuc, much respect I'm glad we have a mature gentleman leading this sub-forum.

I wonder if they are even working on the patch right now.

Haha what am I saying they're obviously counting all their money right now laughing at us.

Not to mention all the cash they're going to get with this new DLC which should be free for all the crap they put us through.

If I honestly owned this company, if it financially would not hurt the company which ultimately depends on the greed of a man - I would.

But will they? Of course not this company is all about money.

Picture every company selling their games that are 75% done, some may be playable some may not depends on the gamer and the route he takes in game he may or may not have to wait another month for the development to compliment his game style.

for those of you who still think the problems with this game are only effecting a small number of players..go over to amazon or some of the other online retailers and read all the negative USER reviews on this game..i knew there were a lot of ppl having issues but i was shocked by the number of ppl on these sites that wrote reviews..now im wondering how many ppl out there that are having problems just havent bothered complaining or writing reviews..i am pretty sure those responsible for releasing this mess know full well how many ppl are unhappy with what they did too bad well never hear a reason for it much less an apology over it...i hope bethesda/obsidian have learned a lesson here about releasing trash of this kind on an unsuspecting public but somehow i really doubt it..they made their millions and i guess in the end thats all that matters in the end..

I just now checked Amazon, every single review is a customer complaining about the bugs.

I REALLY want the new expansion to be free, I REFUSE to pay for it.

Edit: Support my avatar, let's congratulate Bethesda for their 300+ million in Failout NV sales, you legally scammed everyone of your supportive fans.

They already are taking preorders for the new addon, we can't even finish the current storyline why are you working on an addon when you haven't finished the current storyline!

Not to mention the characters we already have will have to be deleted, and we'll have to make another character!

Mine wasnt preorder it was a week after release. No special toys here. I got Fallout 3 because other really liked the game.
No parents to pay my way because I am the parent. I dont watch TV havent for years which means there isnt any cable or air television here. WE play our TV entertianment time.. my time with my kids is spent playing the Xbox 360.
Some I like to play alone..fallout is one of those games.

It's not hard to be a bit angry over time trying to finish a game to have it lock one of thier saves.
I got the message the second time it locked me out of the saves. Dont play me.
A simple enough message that I cant say I would not trust a patch to play it in the future on, seeing how they threw this mess out with such ease a trust isnt going to just happen now. Dispite the we are working on it wait, my interest goes to other persuits that do work. Bioshock and Bioshock 2. Fantastic games that are really intense fun and some times down right crazy. Smooth clear graphics, quick stick responce and my youngest loves to watch the battles.

My point is the other games work Fallout NV does not. The game says "dont play me I wont work and you wasted 60 doller plus tax to buy me to say that".
I got a 360 for a considerable amount of money so this would NOT happen when I wanted to play a game. There it is a 360 platform that is certian to not need major over haul for every new game that comes out. Shot that theory down with this mess.

To futher my delema on being shaken down for a cool 60 spot is they intend to put out new maps for a game that is saying I WONT WORK.

Ok heres my responce to this delema.Developers pay heed I wont be the last to openly declare this..I lost 60 dollers to this game company..it will never happen again..EVER. If your company name is on the box any place I am not going to spend my hard earned money on it.
WE are done finished and I walk away wiser althou much poorer for the experiance. Shove your patch and your new maps.

With you 100% TheVision, the way weve been treated is a disgrace which wouldnt happen in any other business model other than the games industry. They, and i mean the developers, not the moderators, should be coming on here and posting updates daily as a minimum. Its not that much to ask, 30 minutes of just one persons time in a company that employs hundreds of people.

p.s. nu_clear_day, out of interest, just how much interaction with the developers/publishers do you have and are they getting the message?

Yeah the video game industry is in a league of its own.

I'm pretty sure the only interaction the mods have is with the Admin of the site, Admin of the site may be Bethesda/Oblivion's webmaster. Probably too cheap to hire a webmaster though, they probably have a cycle of members rotating maintenance and repairs on the site but I can't see why due to having hundreds of millions.

I may come off as offensive to the people that maintain this site, and I have to say that this is a nifty forum it's sleek and clean it works and I've had no problems with the site thus far so instead of being negative towards everyone and anything affiliated with Bethesda I'd like to say that this is a lovely forum and it's contrast and background colors are easy on the eyes well put together even if Bethesda was apart of the overall design at least someone in the company does their job correctly.

I couldn't have said it better myself. I hope people like Adoseofbuckley realize just because they haven't had any problems yet, doesn't mean they are the majority. I haven't checked out other websites, like Amazon, to read their customer's reviews. But that is something I'll be checking out soon, as should Buckley.

Again with the "haven't had any problems". Anyway...

According to Amazon.com's customer reviews, 66% of people have given the game a 3 star rating or higher, 3 out of 5 being a grade higher than 50% (60%, or a C-), which would be less than a fail. If people are stupid enough to give a game they can't play 3 stars (or even 2), well that's another discussion on the state of humanity for another day. SO, that would in fact make positive experiences with the game the majority (66% vs 34%).

Don't you just hate stats?

i cleared my xbox cache and i went on the game but didnt have any Update.... and that was 3 days ago

there are some ppl that are so blind that no matter what reason or number you shove in their face it isnt going to open their eyes..its best to ignore those poor souls and move on..theres no help for them..

if you do that your just deleting the patch..youll just be dling the same one over and over again..

Honestly, as far as patches and the like go - we don't usually know all that much more than anyone else. Most of our contact (and as far as Admin contacts go, that's on a pretty regular basis,) is concerned with moderating the forum. I've seen, in passing, comments that yes, they're still working on patches; but I'm not going to have any more clear an idea of what's going on, internally, than anyone else.

As far as "getting the message" goes - one of our jobs is to point Devs toward threads they might be interested in, or that might be worth their commenting on. They do read the forums - pretty much everyone on the hierarchy from the top down. I suspect they might log-on invisibly on occasion, but if you keep an eye on who's viewing a sub-forum (there's the little list at the very bottom of the page,) you will occasionally see Dev usernames down there. (You can usually tell by the color-coded names - green ones are Moderators, and anything else colored is going to be Dev, in general.) QA does look through the H&S forums for bug reports (which is why I try to keep too many of these sort of threads from cluttering up the front pages, and making it harder for them to sort through problems...)

So yeah, it's not like no one knows people are running into problems.

I can say they are definitely working on them. They honestly will have something to say - when there's something more to say. I don't think they're any happier with the situation, either. (Even in just a pragmatical sense - there's an old business philosophy that one happy customer leads to 10 extra sales, but one unhappy customer leads to 100 lost ones. As a Mod, I see a lot of the "oh, they have our money, they don't care anymore" sentiment. Which probably isn't unfounded. But even from a purely Machiavellian perspective, it's bad business to sell a customer something they can't use, and then not try and fix it.)

And I should probably take this time to point that one thing that's constantly been leading to warning increases in these sub-forums is the whole "everyone has issues vs. no one has issues" argument. Even something like Amazon reviews is still too small a data set from which to draw solid statistics from. Obviously, the amount of people with real issues is "significant," at the very least. Getting into who's in the "majority" only ever leads to... bad things.