Did Bound Bow get massively better in 1.5? : V - Skyrim

» Wed Jun 06, 2012 5:06 pm

We know you can dominate the game with the crafting loop and slaves on demand. We know you can dominate the game with Destruction Stun-Lock. Neither of these is the question here --- the question is, was archery buffed in 1.5; the answer is, yes.

I wasn't going off topic randomly, that guy made a completely wrong uninformed comment and I gave my view. I also don't use stun lock extensively, I can get on fine using destruction (master) without stunning the enemies.

I've heard/seen that the additional damage is only listed higher, it actually does the same as before.

» Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:58 pm

Ok, just ran my tests, and they simply confirm what I saw before. A simple summary with the orc bow is enough:

1. With just the orc bow (base dam = 10) and AN arrows (base dam = 10):
The bow displays 60 damage on its own; while the "total" damage shows 70, the actual damage being dealt is 60.
2. Throwing in 3 pieces of 40% gear, the bow displays, and the draugr takes, 132.
3. With the gear on, a x3 sneak attack dealt 396 damage.

If you want to know how this stacks up with a bound bow, the orc bow and Ancient Nord arrows start at 20 damage; the Mystic Bound Bow starts at 48. An unimproved Daedric bow with Daedric arrows is 43; improved, as high as 82.

The rebalance was a simple one: instead of arrows being added to the modified bow damage as they were before:
(Bow base + smithing) * skill * overdraw = A;
(A * sneak) + (A * fort marks * potion) + crit + weapon chant + poison + arrow

The damage is now
((Bow base + smithing + arrow) * skill * overdraw * fort marks * potion) = A;
(A * sneak) + crit + weapon chant + poison.
The damage shown on your stat bar is A + arrow base damage; the addition is an error.

Did the actual damage really change? Can you clarify this one more time?

I have difficulty getting the numbers to match. Can someone help me with verifying the calculation? The Complete Character Design Freedom Thread mentions that Daedric Bow and Arrow can do is 562 damage. Numbers I came up with looks very wrong.

Hear are my input numbers:

Daedric Bow Base Damage = 19
Daedric Arrow Damage = 24
Fortify Smithing potion with enchanting/alchemy loop is = +130%
Fortify Smithing gear = +29% * 4
Damage Added by Smithing = 35 (?)
Bow Damage + Smithing improvement + Arrow Damage = 19 + 35 + 24 = 78

Skill: Archery at 100 = + 50% damage
Foritfy Archery gear = +40% * 4 = + 160% damage
Overdraw perk = +100% damage
Fortify Marksman Potion = +130% damage

Old DIsplayed Damage = A = (Bow base + smithing) * skill * overdraw = (24 + 35) * 1.5 * 2.0 = 177
Old Actual Damage =(A * sneak) + (A * fort marks * potion) + crit + weapon chant + poison + arrow = (177 * 0) + (177 * 2.0 * 2.3) + 0 + 0 +0 + 24 = 838.2

New Displayed Damage = A = ((Bow base + smithing + arrow) * skill * overdraw * fort marks * potion) = ((19 + 35 + 24) *1.5 * 2.0 * 2.6 * 2.3) = 78 * 1.5 * 2.0 * 2.6 * 2.3 = 1399.32
New Actual Damage = 1399.32

» Wed Jun 06, 2012 2:01 pm

Old DIsplayed Damage = A = (Bow base + smithing) * skill * overdraw = (24 + 35) * 1.5 * 2.0 = 177
Old Actual Damage =(A * sneak) + (A * fort marks * potion) + crit + weapon chant + poison + arrow = (177 * 0) + (177 * 2.0 * 2.3) + 0 + 0 +0 + 24 = 838.2

I am quite sure your inventory menu does not display the sneak multiplier damage..

In addition, I wouldn't take the character freedom thread as word-of-god. Now that those bounds have been proven easily broken by restoration, or vampire statpush. There are 2 numbers, and a 3rd that is based off a loop.

» Wed Jun 06, 2012 11:45 am

I have difficulty getting the numbers to match. Can someone help me with verifying the calculation? The Complete Character Design Freedom Thread mentions that Daedric Bow and Arrow can do is 562 damage. Numbers I came up with looks very wrong.

19 base damage
add 46 from smithing
multiply by 1.5 for 100 skill
multiply by 2 for Overdraw 5
multiply by 2.88 for 4x 47% enchants
= 562

» Wed Jun 06, 2012 5:42 pm

Did the actual damage really change? Can you clarify this one more time? I have difficulty getting the numbers to match. Can someone help me with verifying the calculation? The Complete Character Design Freedom Thread mentions that Daedric Bow and Arrow can do is 562 damage. Numbers I came up with looks very wrong.

Their number is only for the bow (with 4x47 enchants and +46 smithing = 65 x 8.64 = 561.6) - I asked about this after running my first set of tests. The results you found for your own numbers are correct. 608 without potion, 1399 with.

» Wed Jun 06, 2012 5:27 pm

Thanks you stilts and Sandslice!

» Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:56 am

wonders what my legendary daedric bow woudl do now .-. curretnly teh bow doe 88 damage + what ever else perks and arrows and enchanted stuff would add to it