If i dmed skyrim to my friends the would be so mad at me
"there are theives in the sewers that make it impossible for this city to be anything more"
lets kill'em
they are immortal
"go kill the renaming storm cloaks"
leaders are immortal
A man whose major flaw is his ego is about to attack
I call him out to single combat
just say yes to attack or no to not help
i mentioned killing a lot because that's all Tes really gives as an option or did that or not doing it (it was the most liberating thing i had ever felt when i first played morrind)
we have weapon choices that not really defining "ahh yes napoleon the guy who used cannons"
or not doing it "give me money or the hostages die" where is my sniper option
I want to play a role not just a type of warrior who does everything for everybody.
I want to be able to act in the world not just react.

TES =/= DnD

What Bethesda did was necessary to ensure the integrity of the game. They cant allow the free form that DnD allows because a videogame doesn't have the mind of a human to react and adjust things in response to the players actions.

This is the hardest part of any RPG game, and for what Bethesda was able to do, they did it well.

Actually, I've played FAR too many D&D campaigns with "Immortal" NPCs - "No, you're not allowed to attack him!"

At least Beth doesn't trigger Falling Rocks of Instant, Unavoidable Death on your character every time (s)he attacks an Immortal NPC.

There's not enough time in the world to do everything for everyone - The tasks you choose to do are the tasks that define your character.

To be honest, most D&D campaigns I've played in are far less free than TES. X] Anyway, I second what Echo said, basically.

way to many NPCs are desingated as immortal. the very least they could have done was make them immortal to other npcs and yet killable by the player themselves. the thieves guild is a perfect example. i cant play a overzealous paladin of rightousness and smite thieves and assassins because half of them are marked as essential.

You also can't burn trees/houses/etc, make elaborate traps, convince the Imperials and Stormcloaks to work together to start overthrowing the Thalmor (or sow disunion among the elves so the Thalmor are overthrown), climb walls/cliffs/etc, or lead armies. That's just the tip of the iceberg.

Now a lot of free-form stuff is extremely difficult to include in any game. That said, I do think that Bethesda has a lot of room to improve the Radiant AI and related parts of the game.

i will concede it would be nigh imposable for it to be free-form but at least don't limit the options you already gave me.
Let speech be more than bartering and the occasional way to get out of a situation.
Let me kill anyone(i understand the kid thing at least let me intimidate manners into them)
Make a working economy(demand and supply at least)

Dungeons & Dragons is awesome and I have a couple of classic D&D-based games from Bioware on my computer. But sorry dude, The Elder Scrolls is already fine the way it is. D&D is awesome, but come on let's be realistic; a TES game with D&D mechanics would fail so hard. TES just wasn't intended by it's original producers to co-operate with D&D mechanics. I agree with you on one part though, that they should develop their characters more and allow them to express emotions, have separate storylines of their own etc. and also companions would be awesome if they had more of a storyline instead of all of them being empty-headed mules.

he's not talking about the mechanics at all. He's just talking about how Pen and Paper RPGs give you tons and tons and tons of options. TES games could stand to gain a few, imho, especially in social settings.

Oh. I thought this was about story references. Just bought Arkham Horror out of curiosity and word-of-mouth, and the story resembles Oblivion quite so (along with every other Stop the Omega Boss Evil from Rising plotline).

I agree with someone above about game integrity. Something about each TES title getting better and better improved NPCs. With all that freedom, there's bound to be some hijinx if behaviors accidentally kill each other. What's to differ a Giant's Golfswing and your Fusrodah the moment an Essential hits the bottom of a cliff?

Now I have a hankering to catch up on Darths and Droids.

Not this again. Let's see ...


Could they have fleshed it out more? Sure. What else do you expect to be able to do with Speech, though?

Get people to bed you? Bethesda is not about six. I'm thankful for that.

Convince people to give you their stuff? How often does this work in RL if you don't have a vagena and the person you're asking doesn't have a peenis? (Not typos. Bethesda likes to censor perfectly sensible words even though they allow e.g. 'dike'.)

Get the two warring factions to cooperate? How is that working out in RL?

Perhaps the ability to negotiate your way out of every non-special fight, non-boss fight, etc.

Perhaps the ability to walk into a Bandit camp without being instantly attacked, y'know, being able to walk up to whomever is guarding said Bandit headquarters and recruiting a Follower or something.

I love D&D and I love Skyrim, a D&D quest having to do with Skyrim would be awesome (I might make one).

'TheBaer
Not this again.

My entire post is about giving you options not just the means but the consequences what you gave me was means ways to do thing i want to change what they wanted me to do
from wife wants a new ugly rug use speech option to get a rug that i like to Ulric tell me to finish him off and i spare him and 1. send to be executed 2. convince to help the empire
It so hard(this might be putting nicely) to play the diplomat in this game

Out of every (non-special, non-boss) fight? That doesn't sound realistic at all. They could have implemented a few more of these, though, you're right. And yes, you can talk your way out of one or two quest fights, currently.


Ja, this is a good idea. I want the ability to hire a whole group of them. Fjola and I would conquer all of Skyrim. I'm pretty sure someone will mod this in, eventually. And maybe Bethesda will take the hint for the next game, then. (A side issue here is that money is too easy to come by, and this could easily unbalance the gameplay. So they'd have to fix this, too.)


What you're asking for would take a lot of time, money and people to accomplish. And it's just not feasible with current generation gaming, anyway. The coding alone would be a nightmare, not to mention the vast amounts of space the audio and animations for these sequences would hog. You can't fit that on a single DVD and still leave space for DLC and expansions.

not possible lol the Witcher, DA:O, and New Vegas did it all of these older and had less backing then Skyrim.
Important things at least let.

The biggest pull of the series for many was the move away from traditional RPG mechanics like Exp-based levelling and suchlike and towards a more natural and innovative system. D&D has nothing to offer TES.

And instead of offering concrete examples so we can continue the discussion, you riposte with derision. Great way to have a discussion.

Also, how big are the worlds of the games you cite as examples? How much bigger is TES:V? Imagine fitting the same amount of interaction into Skyrim. Just not possible.

Interestingly, before TES1: Arena got off the ground, it was supposed to be an action-game. Run around from town to town, fight other teams and their champions. In fact, it was only called Arena.

But, then, they started adding other city-stuff to do.
Which eventually became quests.
Which eventually transformed the whole thing into an RPG.
Which eventually removed the original gameplay of Different Cities, Different Arenas.

In fact, "The Elder Scrolls" was taped on to the final cover at the last minute, according to some interviews. The game was originally "Arena", that's all. Funny how TES-losing-its-roleplay basically means Going back to Pre-Arena.

What's the roman numeral for zero? The Elder Scrolls Nulla. TESN. I dunno, wiki's wierd.

Rocks fall, Jesus saves, Everyone else takes full damage.

Tried killing a shopkeeper in Dragon Age? TES does let you have some freedom. Why only some? This : "I went on a rampage and killed everyone in town, and now I can't join the Thieves' Guild. Why wasn't I warned? Life is unfair etc. etc...:

But the amount of area and time for the main quest is pretty small and that's all i want is a few crucial moments. No a chat with a guard should not lead to a mass murder but the climix of ending the civil war a time where ether the storm cloaks or the empire takes the rains of a region about to go to war again. What is said here would/should be epitomized not just thrown around like small talk of curved swords.

Is it to much to ask to have freedom and have it matter too?

Yeah, it's a [censored]load of work on the developer's part.

Freedom isn't free, Rambo.