does someone take over for a dead merchant? : V

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:15 pm

like the title says. a dragon attacked riverwood and now alvor is dead. it finally happened to me lol. i have had skyrim since launch and this is the first time a dragon has killed a merchant so i'd like to know if someone at least takes over for him and how long til they do so? i googled and searched here but no luck. thanks in advance.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:34 pm

Nope. Once they die they are gone. Maybe load an older save? Condolences.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:41 pm

Depends. I believe that sometimes a family member does. For example I think that if you kill the merchant in Riverwood, his sister takes over the store.

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 9:41 am

Depends. I believe that sometimes a family member does. For example I think that if you kill the merchant in Riverwood, his sister takes over the store.

Same is true for the merchant at the general store in Markarth. I killed her and her son takes over the store immediately. It's actually kind of funny - as soon as i walk in he starts in on me with the "you want to talk to me after what you've done" line, but as soon as I ask what he has for sale, he's as friendly as can be. I guess money trumps family in the end.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:55 pm

Same is true for the merchant at the general store in Markarth. I killed her and her son takes over the store immediately. It's actually kind of funny - as soon as i walk in he starts in on me with the "you want to talk to me after what you've done" line, but as soon as I ask what he has for sale, he's as friendly as can be. I guess money trumps family in the end.

Just an example of Skyrim's small problems - Lack of speech options and cosequences, in reality they should refuse to talk to you and refuse to buy or sell you anyhing.

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 7:10 am

They are supposed to, but that is not the case for all. The Blacksmith in Riverwood is one that has never been replaced before.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:42 pm

great. no blacksmith for me in riverwood because i ain't reloading and lose approximately 2 hours. life goes on lol. thanks!!!

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:10 am

The Riverwood Blacksmith could be replaced by his daughter. It'd be stupid, but she said she wants to be a blacksmith. When daddy dies, she can be one.

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 9:37 am

that would be funny lol. what about his wife? she survived the attack. i will stay outta riverwood for 30 days and see what happens.

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 9:07 am

that would be funny lol. what about his wife? she survived the attack. i will stay outta riverwood for 30 days and see what happens.

She cooks. Child makes armor. It makes no sense, yet so much sense. Or the wife could just replace the blacksmith.

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 9:32 am

His wife is no smith. The only smith that I've seen so far, that gets replaced if he dies is the one in Riften (his apprentice takes over).

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 8:50 am

Just an example of Skyrim's small problems - Lack of speech options and cosequences, in reality they should refuse to talk to you and refuse to buy or sell you anyhing.

Meh...Yes, if we are obsessed with realism, you are correct. But it's still a video game. It would be better if their behavior was more consistent with the context of the situation, but recognize that this is a very big game, with a lot of voice actors delivering a lot of lines and an almost infinite number of variables based on the combnation of the game's size and the endlessly varied combinations of choices that different players will make. There is only so much the devs can do to account for that, so it will never be "just like" real life. I for one find a lot of the little quirks like that to be part of the charm of the Elder Scrolls series.

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 2:30 am

His wife is no smith. The only smith that I've seen so far, that gets replaced if he dies is the one in Riften (his apprentice takes over).

The one in Markarth can be replaced by her apprentice, as well.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 11:49 pm

If you are on PC you may be able to change his wife's profile to make her take over

You can try adding these factions to Sigrid's faction tab:

JobBlacksmithFaction
JobMerchantFaction
ServicesRiverwoodAlvor

And add the AI package

AlvorWork8x12

This should work fine.... if you are on PC of course

Meh...Yes, if we are obsessed with realism, you are correct. But it's still a video game. It would be better if their behavior was more consistent with the context of the situation, but recognize that this is a very big game, with a lot of voice actors delivering a lot of lines and an almost infinite number of variables based on the combnation of the game's size and the endlessly varied combinations of choices that different players will make. There is only so much the devs can do to account for that, so it will never be "just like" real life. I for one find a lot of the little quirks like that to be part of the charm of the Elder Scrolls series.

I agree which is why I only see it as a small issue

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:43 am

I think I recently lost the blacksmith-brother inside Warmaiden's. Adrienne's brother. Next to Breezehome.
The door has been locked throughout several in-game days.
IDK what happened there. He never seemed to come out of there so I don't know where he is.
Hope he makes it back sometime....Maybe he's on vacation

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 11:41 pm

If it hasn't been mentioned already, yes. But only for certain merchants.
The WIndhelm smith will be succeeded by his female apprentice.
This is the only one I know of at the moment since I tend not to kill shopkeepers.

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:28 am

I had the same issue. The dragon landed, Alvor decided to be a hero, and was swiftly chomped and launched across Riverwood. I also was killed in the chaos, but not by a dragon, but by the guards who got in the way of my greatsword. The reload was successful, but unfortunately Alvor's wife died during the battle instead, frozen solid by frost breath. I went and talked to Alvor immediately afterward, and surprisingly, it triggered his response to be one of grief. I honestly thought he wouldn't pay attention at all to what had happened.

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 7:44 am

okay so 30 days later not only is his body not gone but no one takes over. i thought his body would at least be gone. i'm on xbox so can't use those commands but thanks anyways.

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 9:53 am

They are supposed to, but that is not the case for all. The Blacksmith in Riverwood is one that has never been replaced before.

That actually kinda makes sense. You don't need any particular skillset to sell and buy stuff. You should be chatty and be able to haggle but it's not necessary. Smithing, however, requires a lot of stamina and practice. If smith would die I would honestly be surprised if his wife would stop cooking and would take up the hammer in his place.

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 3:40 am

Just an example of Skyrim's small problems - Lack of speech options and cosequences, in reality they should refuse to talk to you and refuse to buy or sell you anyhing.

This. But only if they saw you do it or you were charged with the crime.

Edit: And yes it is a small issue, but games like Fallout 3 had a lot of branching dialogue so it's not nearly impossible for Bethesda to do this. All they have to do is make it so npcs say what they normally say when you kill their friend, but make it so you can't trade with them. No new voiceacting required

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 9:23 am

does anyone have a solution for his body to go away? i waited 30 days and it was still there. i haven't played with my orc since this happened and i haven't found anything of use to help.

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 12:26 am

does anyone have a solution for his body to go away? i waited 30 days and it was still there. i haven't played with my orc since this happened and i haven't found anything of use to help.

Yikes. I hope it's not starting to smell.

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 4:47 am

I think I recently lost the blacksmith-brother inside Warmaiden's. Adrienne's brother. Next to Breezehome.
The door has been locked throughout several in-game days.
IDK what happened there. He never seemed to come out of there so I don't know where he is.
Hope he makes it back sometime....Maybe he's on vacation :tongue:

Lol, that is her husband! Poor Warbear.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:58 pm

Just an example of Skyrim's small problems - Lack of speech options and cosequences, in reality they should refuse to talk to you and refuse to buy or sell you anyhing.

Some should even try to kill you. If you managed to stay hidden, it should be an unsolved crime brought up by both guards and named NPCs alike.

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 7:32 am

Yeah Arcadia is dead on my game now. Pretty much since the beginning her shop was always locked, so I figured I had to do a quest or it was bugged or something....she joins Shadowmere