Hi There.


I bought a "steam" (read wortless piece of [censored]) game for Christmas, and on the 1st of Jan i still haven't seen the game, steam has to update, usually crashes when i finally install it, i try to load the game the status bar doesn't even start to fill in and the estimated start time goes into the days before i can play.

I know my internet isn't all that releiable, so i took it to a freind that has very good internet, same results.

ALSO, i object to DRM since it ASSUMES that everybody is a theif and i HAVE to have and be connected to the internet to play a NON INTERNET GAME ??????????

Copy of anything is INEVITABLE, look at the PC itself, it was created by IBM, and look at it now, everybody makes PC's if that's not copy i don't know what is...

Another example; the walkman, sony created it, then every electronics company was making them...

sALSO, if i want to play with my freinds (1 at a time, 2 cpu's 2 installs) why would WE HAVE TO get 2 copies of the game?????? When we could buy 2 gameS ???


But you have to be chainned to a piss poor (steam) system that causes nothing but problems GOOD JOB!


Well I WILL NEVER BUY ANOTHER bPIECE DRM PROTECTED SOFTWARE any other software EVER>


PIB00.

Pretty sure you can install all your games on as many PCs as you want.

Actually, sharing games, so that two people can play it at the same time (even if you are at a LAN session or something) is a law that EULA has failled to enforce for a long time.

Steam allows you to install on as many computers, as many times as you want, but only one computer at the time can be online with the game. And every game has DRm of some type (most now have online registration) so if you won't buy games with DRM, then you won't play another new game again.

Not all games. GOG has DRM-free installs.

Steam's not bad though, a lot of people will only take games if they're on steam for the convenience of it.

OP: There's a thread here for installing from dvd. have you tried that if your internet is that bad?

Skyrim doesn't use DRM. It uses Steam. There is a big difference.

And despite what you think, you do not need to be online to play the game. All you need to do is start Steam in offline mode (go to the "File" menu in steam) and play it that way.

Steam isn't bad, it's just you OP.

Steam is bad. Because you have to be online to install. No online, no install.

For a SP game that`s unacceptable.

Also if it`s not a DRM then why is it forced on everyone?

All it does is punish those who have trouble with the net or no fast broadband or just don`t want to have to install via the net.

The FO3 and Oblivion way was fine. Why change it?

Steam is a digital distribution software, if you think Steam DRM is bad, you haven't seen Ubisoft's alternative, maybe you should go to consoles if you think Steam is bad, because its not going anywhere.

What is this, 2003?

Steam is DRM. Just FYI.

I actually will be able to play almost all the new games out without drm. It's called being willing to google your problem, like, hey I hate steam/origin or w/e DRM system that plagues the game you bought.....you get the idea. The silly part is DRM does nothing but hurt the legitimate users, and does NOTHING to curb the thing it was supposedly designed to circumvent.

It's actually very acceptable. Bethesda wants you to activate your game, to help piracy prevention. Yes it still happens, but atleast the game companies are doing something about it, instead of leaving piracy alone and taking no action.

You have no right to tell a game company they're not aloud to protect their own product.

How does getting us to activate our game prevent piracy?

Actually steam is DRM. Digital Rights MANAGEMENT. Steam forces users to have an internet connection to activate or update and in some cases, be online to run certain games. Regardless, you cannot run the game or use the game without Steam period. That is DRM.

It is sad to see so many people backing this up and supporting it. Just like the new SOPA law and IP law about to possibly pass.... If people do not start to wake up your internet is NOT going to be what it is right now and it is NOT going to anything like you think in the future.

Have none of you ever been without an internet connection and then tried to play one of the new titles you bought? Unplug your internet, uninstall one of the newer games then try it out for a week without using a connection.. See what you think then. You will not make it a day. Why? You cannot activate. Second you cannot patch to even make the game playable. And third, depending on the title, it will not run without detecting Steam and the internet.

The more support this gets from users the more intrusive it is going to get.. Mark my words. And when I mean support, I mean just this.. The more games bought under this crap, the more support they system gets.

BTW, has it helped or stopped piracy and hacking of ANY TITLE listed on Steam or other DRM systems? No. So what is the REAL reason that everyone is doing this? I will tell you. 2 Main reasons. First, sales. They can 'push' you towards their advertising. They can constantly throw targeted ads and pictures and whatever at you to buy. And people fall for it. And Second, tracking. Do you not think they watch, track and monitor everything you are doing? What games you are playing. What and how and where you are spending your money. Pretty much anything you are doing they are watching.

I took a shot myself with Skyrim. Decided to try things out. Now I have learned myself. I will go back to DVD hard copy. And if it requires me to activate or be connected to play, the I will not buy it or I will return it because I, for one, refuse to allow someone else to control what I can and cannot do in my own home, on my own computer WHEN I want and WHERE I want.

Because you're telling them you have a legit copy, and not a torrent.

At this time, there is little else a game company can do to fight piracy. They're just doing the best they can with the technology we have.

I think you misunderstood the question. How does that prevent piracy? How does them knowing you have a legit copy do anything about piracy?
It was a rhetorical question anyway because it doesn't, period.

We had good enough technology before steam too, it was equally effective.

Steam/Internet activation must be better than sercure rom, otherwise they'd still be using it.

I dunno I don't work in the industry, and I doubt anyone in this thread does either. Because of that, it's all guess work anyway.

Yeah steam is "better". For them anyway. SecuROM doesn't stop you reselling your games, steam does. That's why they prefer it nowadays, not for piracy prevention but resale prevention, they already know they can't stop piracy. It either gains more sales since its not available used or it adds to the piracy problem that they can wave in everyone's face to legitimize their intrusive drm even though it's doing nothing to stop pirates.

Lol you nailed it. Stopping used game sales probably acts as a sort of balance towards loss of sales from piracy.

Swings an roundabouts, as they say in business.

Yeah genius plan too and its working beautifully for them. Not that I hate steam though, don't get me wrong there's alot of reasons to like it, but there's also big cons for alot of people and having no other options but steam is just no good anyway.

DRM should not necessarily die but Steam most certainly needs to reformat their fairness platform.

Go ahead and do what you have to do Bethesda/Steam, to save a paranoid dime but don't hold our games hostage and leave us in a holding pin till you're done frisking our machines, stealing our time and joy, till all your work on us is done and you know for a fact we aren't stealing from you.
(But that will only last till we connect Steam Client for updates.)
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I need to update my Skyrim but every time I launch Steam Client it uninstalls what I already have and have been playing. I have to re download again, and again and again. This takes hours and hours and hours. And that's when Steam is all updated and running, a whole nother synopsis there.

Steam has no right to hold us against our will any longer than it takes to validate a game.

That's my opinion.
-Beck

I really don't see why you're blaming Steam for this problem. Valve can't do just what it feels like without abiding to laws and government. The whole industry, including television, games and movies rely on advertising. By tracking what you like and dislike, as they do on Facebook, Google, Steam, Netflix and so on, they can give you more effective, personalized ads. The losses from piracy is no problem for the industry if you compare it to what they gain from advertising. Don't blame Steam, you're the one who voted (or didn't).

Are you seriously comparing Steam to SOPA...?

I thought it wasn't possible for the forum users here to get anymore overdramatic and illogical, but then this happened.

Blame?

"Steam has no right to hold us against our will any longer than it takes to validate a game."

-Beck

http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1286613-unofficial-steamdrm-discussion/ Please use it.