DTC's still a veritable nightmare in Skyrim

Post » Tue May 29, 2012 2:10 am

Ripten is the worst town to be in with the severity and the quantity of DTC’s that plague it. Sometimes I can’t walk five feet without the game crashing to the desktop. Hereto, forget about fighting a dragon in or around Ripten. To do so means that each time you take a swing at the dragon or fire of an Ice Spike at the dragon the game with crash to the desktop. In addition, 8 out of 10 times that you walk into the Keep or into the Inn none of the texture appear: so, you are looking a blank screen. Moreover, there are areas in White Run, Markarth and in Solitude that will cause the game to crash to the desktop, as well. Oh! And, forget about fast traveling to any area more than once, because after that the game will crash to the desktop when you do.


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Post » Tue May 29, 2012 12:26 am

I couldn't approach to within 100 metres or so of Riften without 100% CTD pre 1.4 Beta. Mind you, the only problem I had in Riften (after fast-travelling) was crashes using doors around the Thieves Guild base.

After installing 1.4 Beta patch, I can run up to Ridten without issues and the Thieves Guild area works fine.
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Post » Tue May 29, 2012 12:00 am

Ripten is the worst town to be in with the severity and the quantity of DTC’s that plague it. Sometimes I can’t walk five feet without the game crashing to the desktop. Hereto, forget about fighting a dragon in or around Ripten. To do so means that each time you take a swing at the dragon or fire of an Ice Spike at the dragon the game with crash to the desktop. In addition, 8 out of 10 times that you walk into the Keep or into the Inn none of the texture appear: so, you are looking a blank screen. Moreover, there are areas in White Run, Markarth and in Solitude that will cause the game to crash to the desktop, as well. Oh! And, forget about fast traveling to any area more than once, because after that the game will crash to the desktop when you do.
I can't reproduce these problems. Maybe it's because you don't meet the minimum requirements listed in the sticky? (Don't have the box to hand to see what the actual min spec was).

What settings are you running the game on, and are you using any mods/ini tweaks?
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Post » Tue May 29, 2012 1:09 am

I can't reproduce these problems. Maybe it's because you don't meet the minimum requirements listed in the sticky? (Don't have the box to hand to see what the actual min spec was).

What settings are you running the game on, and are you using any mods/ini tweaks?

I more than meet it.


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Post » Tue May 29, 2012 4:35 am

I can't reproduce these problems. Maybe it's because you don't meet the minimum requirements listed in the sticky? (Don't have the box to hand to see what the actual min spec was).

What settings are you running the game on, and are you using any mods/ini tweaks?

Yes to both questions. Settings are on High. Compared to to my Dragon Age Origins game that has about 125 mods attached to it, I have no problems with textures not appearing or DTCs. It is a much sturdier game. I like Skyrim, but I will certainly uninstall it and go back to DAO, if necessary.
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Post » Tue May 29, 2012 3:59 am

Yes to both questions. Settings are on High. Compared to to my Dragon Age Origins game that has about 125 mods attached to it, I have no problems with textures not appearing or DTCs. It is a much sturdier game. I like Skyrim, but I will certainly uninstall it and go back to DAO, if necessary.
DA is much sturder and much reduced in scope to obtain it. Thank goodness we don't have to make all games the same.

Try lowering settings and starting over with no mods or ini tweaks - no offense, but you don't have a lot of comptuer power to spare so mods might strain things.
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Post » Tue May 29, 2012 8:19 am

DA is much sturder and much reduced in scope to obtain it. Thank goodness we don't have to make all games the same.

Try lowering settings and starting over with no mods or ini tweaks - no offense, but you don't have a lot of comptuer power to spare so mods might strain things.


What are you talking about, exactly? So, I have to dumb it down and play the game on ridiculously low settings and no mods to make the game worth playing, for me?!?
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Post » Tue May 29, 2012 8:22 am

What are you talking about, exactly?
You're experiencing stability issues with mods and ini tweaks, so try starting over without them (clearing all trace).
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Post » Tue May 29, 2012 1:36 am

You're experiencing stability issues with mods and ini tweaks, so try starting over without them (clearing all trace).

You know, it is getting to the point where if you don't have thick enough wallet to replace you PC each time a new games comes out, you are practically S.O.L. I hate starting over again. I have probably done it 6 times since November. Not fun!
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Post » Mon May 28, 2012 8:39 pm

You know, it is getting to the point where if you don't have thick enough wallet to replace you PC each time a new games comes out, you are practically S.O.L. I hate starting over again. I have probably done it 6 times since November. Not fun!
Yeah - if you want a stable gaming experience for several years then consoles are better. It is possible to buy/build PCs that last 5 years at a time without much upgrading, but it has to be done quite thoughtfully.
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Post » Tue May 29, 2012 4:04 am

Truth. Reinstall with the beta 1.4 patch and have fun like the others. Wait for kit to come out before altering the game that is not finished yet? Asking for issues for sure there. Also please note being a gamer is not a cheap scenario. Good luck!
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Post » Tue May 29, 2012 8:23 am

Truth. Reinstall with the beta 1.4 patch and have fun like the others. Wait for kit to come out before altering the game that is not finished yet? Asking for issues for sure there. Also please note being a gamer is not a cheap scenario. Good luck!

Well, I am retired and on a limited income and I can't save the funds fast enough to keep up with the stupid demand. As for consoles, you can't mod them. And, I prefer to play a more advlt version of the games, if you catch my drift!?! Still, I have the same amount of mods attached to both FNV and FO3 and have no problems. That being said, I doubt very seriously if the kit will come out before January of 2013, the way they are going. And, here I misunderstood Howard saying that Skyrim was great for modding?!? I guess i was sadly mistaken.
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Post » Mon May 28, 2012 8:28 pm

Well, I am retired and on a limited income and I can't save the funds fast enough to keep up with the stupid demand. As for consoles, you can't mod them. And, I prefer to play a more advlt version of the games, if you catch my drift!?! Still, I have the same amount of mods attached to both FNV and FO3 and have no problems. That being said, I doubt very seriously if the kit will come out before January of 2013, the way they are going. And, here I misunderstood Howard saying that Skyrim was great for modding?!? I guess i was sadly mistaken.

Sorry to hear but your specs are fine but not for heavy modding......just reinstall and try the beta patch. I'm sure you'll have a better experience until all the other crap is sorted out. You are here becuase you are having issues and we're just trying to help ya. Give it a shot as you have the time.
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Post » Tue May 29, 2012 5:46 am

Sorry to hear but your specs are fine but not for heavy modding......just reinstall and try the beta patch. I'm sure you'll have a better experience until all the other crap is sorted out. You are here becuase you are having issues and we're just trying to help ya. Give it a shot as you have the time.

I am currently waiting for STEAM to download the game. And, I will stay away from any HD Textures and ENB series tweaks.
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Post » Mon May 28, 2012 11:38 pm

I don't know if its been mentioned but you may consider changing your OS to 64-bit Win7. 32-bit OS is very constrictive nowadays with all your hardware and programs competing for the same ~3GB of addressable RAM and you won't be able to take full advantage of the 4GB patch without a 64-bit OS. I don't know what kind of Win7 license you have (OEM machine, single-user, retail etc) but Win7 allows you to choose 32 or 64-bit using the same key. So if you have the 64-bit binaries, there's really no reason not to install the 64-bit version on that machine (you have a 64-bit CPU and 4GB+ RAM).

If upgrading to Win7 x64 is an option, I can walk you through a relatively easy way to upgrade your installation without losing any personal data. You will probably have to reinstall your apps and games though, but if you have most of your games on Steam you can preserve the downloads without redownloading them all.

A lot of your symptoms indicate your may be running into memory limitations, both system and video, and high-res mods will quickly exacerbate this issue.
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Post » Tue May 29, 2012 11:29 am

I don't know if its been mentioned but you may consider changing your OS to 64-bit Win7. 32-bit OS is very constrictive nowadays with all your hardware and programs competing for the same ~3GB of addressable RAM and you won't be able to take full advantage of the 4GB patch without a 64-bit OS. I don't know what kind of Win7 license you have (OEM machine, single-user, retail etc) but Win7 allows you to choose 32 or 64-bit using the same key. So if you have the 64-bit binaries, there's really no reason not to install the 64-bit version on that machine (you have a 64-bit CPU and 4GB+ RAM).

If upgrading to Win7 x64 is an option, I can walk you through a relatively easy way to upgrade your installation without losing any personal data. You will probably have to reinstall your apps and games though, but if you have most of your games on Steam you can preserve the downloads without redownloading them all.

A lot of your symptoms indicate your may be running into memory limitations, both system and video, and high-res mods will quickly exacerbate this issue.

I actually have 6GBs of RAM and the 64 bit disk for windows 7. What do i do just slip the disk in and it will start automatically? Well, darn, that didn't work.
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Post » Tue May 29, 2012 4:42 am

I actually have 6GBs of RAM and the 64 bit disk for windows 7. What do i do just slip the disk in and it will start automatically? Well, darn, that didn't work.

That's great! Even better with 6GBs.

Unfortunately, Windows does not allow in-place upgrades from 32-bit to 64-bit versions, meaning you can't just reinstall Windows on top of an old installation while changing OS types.

You'll need to do a backup of your personal documents and folders, and the easiest way to do this is with Windows Easy Transfer.

Some things that will make this process much easier:
1) External USB hard drive or additional physical HDD that Windows will not be installed on. This is where you will back up your files, so it needs to have a good bit of free space.
2) If you have a big enough drive, you will also want to back up your Steam games here.
3) You will want to deactivate and uninstall any games with SecuROM licenses. You will have to manually reinstall these later.

To start the process, hit the start button and type "Windows Easy Transfer"

Then just follow the on-screen prompts, you want to say this is your Old Computer and that you want to make a backup to USB cable or other HDD. You can then choose what files and folders you want to backup, for the most part, everything will be under your Username which appears to be Jallard from your dxdiag. Basically, you want to backup anything that is non-replaceable from backup or physical media that physically exists on your OS drive. The more you have in this file, the larger it will be, and the longer this process will take.

After backing up everything, you need to change your BIOS settings to boot from your optical drive so Win7 disc boots up. While you can't do an in-place installation (automatic migration of your old installation), you can do a new custom install over your old installation but your old installation will no longer be usable and will be moved to Windows.old. This is the safest way as it will still allow you access to any personal files in case you missed any during Easy Transfer.

Once you've run through the 64-bit installation and hit your desktop, you can run Windows Easy Transfer again, then point to your backup file and Windows will begin reverting all your installation information. Everything should be the same as your 32-bit installation except for programs and apps. If you can tell me what HDDs you have in your system and how much free space you have, I can fine tune the process a bit more for you, particularly the Steam game installation portion. Copying the contents of %:\Steam\steamapps\common can save you considerable amounts of time re-downloading games and is particularly important for anyone who has a bandwidth cap from their ISP.
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Post » Tue May 29, 2012 11:31 am

That's great! Even better with 6GBs.

Unfortunately, Windows does not allow in-place upgrades from 32-bit to 64-bit versions, meaning you can't just reinstall Windows on top of an old installation while changing OS types.

You'll need to do a backup of your personal documents and folders, and the easiest way to do this is with Windows Easy Transfer.

Some things that will make this process much easier:
1) External USB hard drive or additional physical HDD that Windows will not be installed on. This is where you will back up your files, so it needs to have a good bit of free space.
2) If you have a big enough drive, you will also want to back up your Steam games here.
3) You will want to deactivate and uninstall any games with SecuROM licenses. You will have to manually reinstall these later.

To start the process, hit the start button and type "Windows Easy Transfer"

Then just follow the on-screen prompts, you want to say this is your Old Computer and that you want to make a backup to USB cable or other HDD. You can then choose what files and folders you want to backup, for the most part, everything will be under your Username which appears to be Jallard from your dxdiag. Basically, you want to backup anything that is non-replaceable from backup or physical media that physically exists on your OS drive. The more you have in this file, the larger it will be, and the longer this process will take.

After backing up everything, you need to change your BIOS settings to boot from your optical drive so Win7 disc boots up. While you can't do an in-place installation (automatic migration of your old installation), you can do a new custom install over your old installation but your old installation will no longer be usable and will be moved to Windows.old. This is the safest way as it will still allow you access to any personal files in case you missed any during Easy Transfer.

Once you've run through the 64-bit installation and hit your desktop, you can run Windows Easy Transfer again, then point to your backup file and Windows will begin reverting all your installation information. Everything should be the same as your 32-bit installation except for programs and apps. If you can tell me what HDDs you have in your system and how much free space you have, I can fine tune the process a bit more for you, particularly the Steam game installation portion. Copying the contents of %:\Steam\steamapps\common can save you considerable amounts of time re-downloading games and is particularly important for anyone who has a bandwidth cap from their ISP.

Win 7 64 bit is now installed. But I lost everything in the process as usual. It is a clean install.
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Post » Tue May 29, 2012 5:49 am

What's a "DTC?"
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Post » Tue May 29, 2012 9:09 am

Win 7 64 bit is now installed. But I lost everything in the process as usual. It is a clean install.
Ah, unfortunate, I was trying to save you the hassle of losing everything on a clean install, but if it fixes your Skyrim issue and you didn't lose anything important, then hopefully it will all be worth it.

@ Kastagir: I believe DTC is meant to be CTD, I've seen every combination of the acronym in some of these post headlines, like CDT etc.
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Ah, unfortunate, I was trying to save you the hassle of losing everything on a clean install, but if it fixes your Skyrim issue and you didn't lose anything important, then hopefully it will all be worth it.

@ Kastagir: I believe DTC is meant to be CTD, I've seen every combination of the acronym in some of these post headlines, like CDT etc.

Well Skyrim is back up and running again. It was a job reformatting the hard drive, however. At one point after I had installed all of the Windows 7 64bit updates, I went into MSCONFIG and disabled all of the services as I had done when I had the 32bit installed. Then, when I went to get online I had no connection or sound. I called Comcast to see if there was and outage, but everything was as it should be. Still, the tech had me go into the control panel and click on Network and then, change adapter settings. Lo-and-behold there was nothing there. Unsure of what to do next, I went and reformatted again thinking that some files hadn't gotten installed properly. Again, while I was impatiently waiting for Microsoft to install of its updates I stated thinking. Go figure, huh? Once the updates had been installed I went back into MSCONFIG and repeated what I has done previously. Again, I had no Internet connection or sound. But, this time I went back into MSCONFIG and changed things back . It all works now.

I just barely started a new game in Skyrim after installing several mods, but none that were performance intensive, like HD Textures and ENB series, and the like. Thus far the game is running smoothly. When I was in the MSCONFIG, I did go into the Boot section and Changed it from 1 CPU to 2 and selected the 4GB of Ram in the maximum memory slot.
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Post » Tue May 29, 2012 4:24 am

Just out of curiousity why are you going into msconfig and changing the default boot options under advanced to 1) number of cpus and 2) amount of memory ?

Windows 7 automatically detects those settings already at boot and unless you are trying to limit your processor or memory its not needed. You should be able to see that information in Device Manager.

One other thing is disabling services can cause problems unless you are sure what those services are tied to. Granted there are a number of them that are *unnecessary* but with your system specs I'd say the benefit would be neglectiable. I maybe wrong.....
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Post » Tue May 29, 2012 6:41 am

Just out of curiousity why are you going into msconfig and changing the default boot options under advanced to 1) number of cpus and 2) amount of memory ?

Windows 7 automatically detects those settings already at boot and unless you are trying to limit your processor or memory its not needed. You should be able to see that information in Device Manager.

One other thing is disabling services can cause problems unless you are sure what those services are tied to. Granted there are a number of them that are *unnecessary* but with your system specs I'd say the benefit would be neglectiable. I maybe wrong.....
Yeah i'd agree with all of this, its really unnecessary on a fresh install and if anything, could cause the problems the OP experienced with internet connection/sound. Everything in there on a fresh install is pretty much essential services, DNS, DHCP, etc. Win7 is much better about starting/stopping services only as needed (Win8 is supposed to be even better), so its best to just let it manage those services.
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Post » Tue May 29, 2012 1:28 am

Some things that will make this process much easier: 1) External USB hard drive or additional physical HDD that Windows will not be installed on. This is where you will back up your files, so it needs to have a good bit of free space. 2) If you have a big enough drive, you will also want to back up your Steam games here. 3) You will want to deactivate and uninstall any games with SecuROM licenses. You will have to manually reinstall these later.
I don't mean to hijack this thread etc, however, I'm replacing my AMD chip/MOBO to Intel chip/MOBO and will be doing a fresh install of Windows 7. I am currently backing up all my files etc but figured I could just re-download my games on Steam, but noticed you listed SecuRom licenses. Is this a download file to uninstall games or something, or what exactly is it? Only games I've bought are on on Steam except for Crysis 2 (bought off of Amazon.com), so I'm not sure if I would even need this tool or whatever.

Thanks!
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Post » Tue May 29, 2012 7:06 am

I don't mean to hijack this thread etc, however, I'm replacing my AMD chip/MOBO to Intel chip/MOBO and will be doing a fresh install of Windows 7. I am currently backing up all my files etc but figured I could just re-download my games on Steam, but noticed you listed SecuRom licenses. Is this a download file to uninstall games or something, or what exactly is it? Only games I've bought are on on Steam except for Crysis 2 (bought off of Amazon.com), so I'm not sure if I would even need this tool or whatever.

Thanks!
Most securom games can be revoked by appending /revoke to the exe shortcut - EA and other produce tools to revoke and many games have it revoked on uninstall. Check with the publisher of your game. TES games haven't used limited activations so these aren't really the forums for it.
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