I haven`t had a chance to play for a few days (Christmas family and all that), but I just registered and posted to say...

I think Skyrim is very good. I don`t ike Steam at all and wish Bethesda had not use it, it`s a mistake in my humble view as it has chased some people in the wrong direction.

Skyrim is way better than Oblivion and on a par with FallOut 3.

It feels more realistic.. Fantasy+Reality =Believable. Even Khajits and the lizards are more believable now. Orcs are much better too, no glowy green skin, more muted, more real.

There`s so much i like about this rpg that i`ll save it for another thread.

Unfortunately, apart from crappy Steam, Bethesda inexplicably fell down on some incredibly obvious bits.

Incredibly obvious fall down 1.

What happened to 1st person view on horses? why omit it. You`ve got all the delicious 1st person then you jump on a horse and what? You`re 10 feet above and behind yourself? And if you are on the PC it`s a pain to control her; your horse is all over the place. What happened, Bethesda... Why? It don`t make no sense.

I dropped the horse and now walk or use the Cart travel. Hope modders will fix.

I haven`t had the chance to see if you can even fight off horseback. But I got a bad feeling about that too.


Incredibly obvious fall down 2.

The UI controls. I heard a bit about this before getting the game, but wow is this thing awkward and clunky. It actually makes mouse use which should be 100% efficient, actually 200% INEFFICIENT! i`ve tried and tried and it`s just plain annoying. what happened? Were they drinking when doing the PC UI, don`t they care about PC gamers. It`s backasswards faffing about that shouldn`t be. It don`t make no sense either. And no I am not buying a controller when I have a perfectly good keyboard and mouse.

Please fix these things Bethesda. Please!


I know I sound aggreesive, but I really like this game as it`s way better than Oblivion, but what happened with the bits I mention?

Cheers.

p.s. Oh yea, happy Christmas to you all.

I wonder if any mods fix this?

You can't fight when mounted on a horse. I play on the PS3 but agree with you on your points. They dropped the ball on those 2 issues. Modders will probably fix it after some time. Oh, and merry Christmas to you too.

I have already seen an incredible UI mod that completely overhauls the menus, and does a very good job at it.
Here"s a preview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dZl5Iujsbk
As for the first person view on horseback, that I agree on. Its one of those minor things that annoys me, but isn't really necessary.
Fighting on horseback is completely pointless to me, I have no idea why people would want that. But thats my opinion, and everyone has one.
But defiantly check out that mod, if I was on PC I would have no reason not to.

Except for that ugly writing, the UI mod looks good. I play on PS3 so can't download it but the original works good on console. As for fighting on horseback i too, would probably never use it. It is [censored] useless but nonetheless it is something that should be possible.

Well fighting on horse back is what any sane person does when attacking people on the ground. You are higher, you have a whole horse and its force behind you and fast movement. a guy on horseback can beat 2-3 or more guys easily from horse. You could even just mow them over. It`s not perfect as you (or the horse) could still get killed. this is what happened in ancient and medievel history. See warband, Mount and Blade for how it can be easily done for both the Player and AI. i`m surprised Bethesda did not use their example.

thanks for the link, will look.

First person camera on a horse should be able to be "fixed" when the creation kit is released.

As for the UI, there's mods for that if the default UI isn't your thing.

If you're on a console, then you're out of luck I'm afraid. Bethesda won't be changing these things.

A lot of the cases of Bethesda dropping the ball with Skyrim are probably a result of the deadline that they had to meet for Skyrim's release.

Eh, not really with the issues described. They're just design choices or the engine.

The PC interface should have been different from PC and console. From the complaints I've read people really don't like the PC UI. I'm not on the PC, but from gameplay I have seen it would be annoying having such a small amount of item on screen in the menus, having to constantly scroll down. The search feature in the mod is amazing and I think that would have solves alot of problems, along with maybe the option to change the text size so more names could be listed on screen at once.
But overall, I don't think they "dropped the ball" due to the deadline. With the glitches, maybe. But First person horse riding, horseback fighting, and the interface it isn't that bad.

There`s a good reason i have the PC, because I know all things are fixable with it, well nearly all.

I await anxiously for the 1st person horse fix and I`m looking at the UI thing . i do worry about steam`s effect on the availability of some mods (especially advlt ones) though. I wish they had not gone in that direction.


It`s terrible. It`s very, very awkward. things that should take one mouse tap or two, take several from the keyboard. Even the same button doesn`t work when it should. one minute it`s mess with mouse, mess with fiddly keyboard that half works. the amounts of times i`ve died in battle cos I picked the wrong potion or weapon or just screwed up I can`t count.

It`s like having your left hand swapped with your right on the PC. Boggles the mind how Bethesda let it go to PC gamers like this. It`s only because the game is good why I tolerate it this far.

I agree with SomeWelshGuy. These two particular issues are design choices.

Okay, dropped the ball on these design issues

Okay, dropped the ball on these design issues
There's more? Only noticed a few.

If they were design choice, especially the control UI, then that`s insane. No one could seriously believe that Bethesda programmers actually WANTED PC Players to struggle with the Mouse and Keyboard this way, surely?

The User Interface I doubt was a design choice, the other two things, most likely. But as is, is seems the UI was basically just copy pasted from console to the PC. Its the exact same while it shouldnt have been. Accommodations should have been made. But maybe Bethesda didnt see it as a problem when making the game, and thought it would be fine. Its amazing how different the views of a developer and player are. Also, all the gameplay from Skyrim shown before release was on the 360 I believe, so PC users didnt get a chance to see the interface and maybe thought it would be different. And you cant really judge a game from just a video. You have to actually play it first to see how it is, which, obviously, the consumers didnt get a chance to do. Thats why public beta testing is so valuable, but for a game like Skrim it would be odd.

First Beth game eh?

Even Morrowind's UI wasn't spectacular it was better then today's Oblivions, and Fallout 3 (worst yet) but they are not exactly the best for a K/M