[RelZ] Fallout Interoperability Program Number 2 : Fallout 3

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:12 pm

Does Mart's Mutant Mod - Project Beauty + FWE.esp handle both the Standard and HD version of Project Beauty? I was using it with the HD version and everything seemed to work fine, but when I switched to the Standard version, I see raiders with giant red exclamation mark triangles. They go away if I deactivate Mart's Mutant Mod - Project Beauty + FWE.esp. It's also possible I made a mistake when switching Project Beauty versions, but I thought I'd check here first.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:03 am

With the Laser Rifle, the Laser Sight from FWE-WMK and FWE-WMK-EVE FOIP patches doesn't reduce the minimum spread. I don't know if it has an effect in VATS, but it is not reducing the spread as it supposed to in normal play. The auto fire increases the minimum spread from zero to 0.5, adding the laser sight should decrease that to around 0.33 (though the original WMK reduces it to 0.25).

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:57 am

I have Fiop MMM+PB+FWE when I click on in fomm I get this ' WARNING: This plugin has the file extension .esp, but its file header marks it as an esm!' The Fiop I have is the latest one.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:17 am

That's from FO3MasterUpdate. Did you run it yourself or was it left that way by accident from the creators?

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:38 pm

I check header with FO3edit and it had tick next to ESM. I thought this file is a plug in. The warning came from Fallout 3 Mod Manager.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:40 am

MasterUpdate is a function of FO3Edit. It's used to make the game more stable with a lot of mods by treating all the files as Master files.

Presumably, the creators of that file forgot to switch the file back to normal before uploading it. It's not a problem, but you should either run the Restore option to revert it to normal or use the MasterUpdate to convert all your files.

There's some information here on MasterUpdate and MasterRestore: http://modsreloaded.com/how-to-reduce-crashing-using-fo3edit-t2473.html

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:03 am

Okay thanks for that.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 4:24 am

I'm having trouble getting my copy to work. All the mods have been recently downloaded and all I can get is CTDs from the game intro. I've adjusted the load order to be as correct as I can find. I made a merged patch and I just can't think of anything else to do.

Fallout3.esm
Anchorage.esm
ThePitt.esm
BrokenSteel.esm
PointLookout.esm
Zeta.esm
CRAFT.esm
CALIBR.esm
Project Beauty.esm
EVE.esm
FO3 Wanderers Edition - Main File.esm
Mart's Mutant Mod.esm
DarNifiedUIF3.esp
Project Beauty- Broken Steel.esp
Project Beauty- Point Lookout.esp
UPP - Pack 1.esp
UPP - Pack 2.esp
UPP - Experience Perks.esp
UPP - Quest Perks.esp
UPP - Beverage Perks.esp
MaxLevelWorkaround-HP-BS.esp
WastelandMastery.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - Master Menu Module.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - Main File.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Anchorage.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Broken Steel.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Mothership Zeta.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Point Lookout.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC The Pitt.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - Followers Enhanced (BrokenSteel).esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - Alternate Travel.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - Optional Restore Tracers.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - Optional VATS Halftime.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - Optional Restore Tracers (automatics only).esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - Project Beauty.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - Project Beauty (Followers Enhanced).esp
WeaponModKits.esp
WeaponModKits - FWE Master Release.esp
WeaponModKits - OperationAnchorage.esp
WeaponModKits - ThePitt.esp
WeaponModKits - BrokenSteel.esp
WeaponModKits - PointLookout.esp
WeaponModKits - Zeta.esp
WMKAA12Shotgun.esp
EVE.esp
EVE Operation Anchorage.esp
EVE - FWE Master Release.esp
EVE - FWE Master Release (Follower Enhanced).esp
EVE Anchorage - FWE DLC Anchorage.esp
EVE - FWE with WeaponModKits.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Anchorage.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC The Pitt.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Broken Steel.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Point Lookout.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Zeta.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - Project Beauty.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - FWE Master Release.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - Project Beauty + FWE.esp
Phalanx-OPTIONAL-BROKENSTEEL-WeaponRepairLists.esp
Phalanx-DogmeatEnemyTweaks.esp
Phalanx-MainFollowerModule.esp
Phalanx-BrokenSteel-Integration.esp
MergedPatch.esp

Total active plugins: 64
Total plugins: 69

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 4:42 am

EVE.esm - EVE 0.97 isn't compatible at the moment. The new FOIP patch is still being worked on.

Mart's Mutant Mod - Master Menu Module.esp - Not needed.

FO3 Wanderers Edition - Optional Restore Tracers.esp - Probably shouldn't have two of these.

Mart's Mutant Mod - Project Beauty + FWE.esp - New MMM release just today with a new FOIP patch to go along with it. Might as well pick that up.

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:57 pm

EVE.esm - EVE 0.97 isn't compatible at the moment. The new FOIP patch is still being worked on.

Mart's Mutant Mod - Master Menu Module.esp - Not needed.

FO3 Wanderers Edition - Optional Restore Tracers.esp - Probably shouldn't have two of these.

Mart's Mutant Mod - Project Beauty + FWE.esp - New MMM release just today with a new FOIP patch to go along with it. Might as well pick that up.

Thank you very much for the help and speedy response, I'll post if it works.

*EDIT* What should I do about EVE? Should I just disable it or should I get an earlier version?

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:46 pm

Thank you very much for the help and speedy response, I'll post if it works.

*EDIT* What should I do about EVE? Should I just disable it or should I get an earlier version?

I personally got an earlier version 0.96 and it works fine.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:50 am

If you're starting a brand new game, I'd forgo EVE for now and only install it after the new patch is done.

The reason is that if you upgrade from 0.96 to 0.97 mid-game, you'll likely lose all EVE originated items you found due to the switch to the ESM/ESP format. The game will no longer be able to find the correct items and will delete them from your game. There may be a way around that, but I don't know if a reliable method has been created yet.

If you wait, then any unique items will be placed when you install EVE and you'll be able to pick them up then without fear of them disappearing in future updates.

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 8:45 pm

Should Centaur Tongues and Boar Meat be added to the Real Needs food list in the MMM/FWE patch?

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:12 pm

Hey guys. I've spent the last couple of days reinstalling FO3 and gathering up the latest mods & all.

I've followed the available load order cues, but I've got a couple of questions left.

Fallout3.esmAnchorage.esmThePitt.esmBrokenSteel.esmPointLookout.esmZeta.esmCRAFT.esmCALIBR.esmProject Beauty.esmxCALIBR.esmStreetLights.esmDCInteriors_ComboEdition.esmWYB.esmFO3 Wanderers Edition - Main File.esmMart's Mutant Mod.esmCompanion Core.esmCompanion Share & Recruit.esmRobCo Certified v2.esmWasteland Whisperer v2.esmEnhanced Weather - Rain and Snow.esmCRAFT - Activation Perk.espDarNifiedUIF3.espProject Beauty- Broken Steel.espProject Beauty- Point Lookout.espCASM.espCONELRAD 640-1240.espExistence2.0.espMore_Where_That_Came_From.esp1PipboyPDA.espT3T_MiscItemIcons.espWeld and Steel - Badges.espEx Libris - PreWar Book Titles.espMr Smith's Scrapyard.espDown Under.espBarge.espMaintenance_Shed.espImmersiveHealth.espHelmPOV.espShellRain.espUndiscovered_Compass-Reduced.espUse_Your_Gloves.espYevicsUrbanTownhome.espFireLightFix.espMegaton_Lighting_Overhaul.espRealistic Interior Lighting.espRealistic Interior Lighting - BS.espRealistic Interior Lighting - OA.espRealistic Interior Lighting - PL.espFellout-pipboylight.espArwen_VisionFX.espWYB-Base.espWYB-DLC-Anchorage.espWYB-DLC-BrokenSteel.espWYB-DLC-PointLookout.espWYB-DLC-ThePitt.espWYB-DLC-Zeta.espWYB-MOD-DCInteriors_Combo v2.6+.espFO3 Wanderers Edition - Main File.espFO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Anchorage.espFO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC The Pitt.espFO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Broken Steel.espFO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Point Lookout.espFO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Mothership Zeta.espFO3 Wanderers Edition - Followers Enhanced (BrokenSteel).espFO3 Wanderers Edition - Project Beauty.espFO3 Wanderers Edition - Project Beauty (Followers Enhanced).espxCALIBRammo_FWE.espWeaponModKits.espWeaponModKits - FWE Master Release.espWeaponModKits - OperationAnchorage.espWeaponModKits - ThePitt.espWeaponModKits - BrokenSteel.espWeaponModKits - PointLookout.espWeaponModKits - Zeta.espMart's Mutant Mod.espMart's Mutant Mod - DLC Anchorage.espMart's Mutant Mod - DLC The Pitt.espMart's Mutant Mod - DLC Broken Steel.espMart's Mutant Mod - DLC Point Lookout.espMart's Mutant Mod - DLC Zeta.espMart's Mutant Mod - Project Beauty.espMart's Mutant Mod - FWE Master Release.espMart's Mutant Mod - FWE Master Release + DLCs.espMart's Mutant Mod - FWE Master Release + Project Beauty.espCompanion Core DLC Addon.espRobCo Certified v2 FWE.espRobCo Certified v2 Zeta Addon.espRobCo Certified v2 Mechanist's Edition.espWasteland Whisperer v2 Broken Steel Addon.espBittercup-Beware_of_Girl_eX_SP.espEnhanced Weather - Rain and Snow in Fallout.espEnhanced Weather - Weather Sounds in Interiors.espEnhanced Weather - Sneak Bonus during Storms.espFellout-Full.espFellout-Anchorage.espFellout-BrokenSteel.espFellout-PointLookout.espFellout-Zeta.espMerged_Patch.esp

- "Enhanced Weather - Sneak Bonus during Storms.esp" - I'm sure I used EW+Fellout before, but I don't remember if this mod can be used with FWE.
- "xCALIBRamm_FWE.esp" anyone know where this one goes? It looks like the right place ... I think ... the readme doesn't say :S

... everything else looks correct from I know and faintly remember, although I won't mind a quick lookover (or three) by someone who knows more

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:29 am

EVE.esm - EVE 0.97 isn't compatible at the moment. The new FOIP patch is still being worked on.

Mart's Mutant Mod - Master Menu Module.esp - Not needed.

FO3 Wanderers Edition - Optional Restore Tracers.esp - Probably shouldn't have two of these.

Mart's Mutant Mod - Project Beauty + FWE.esp - New MMM release just today with a new FOIP patch to go along with it. Might as well pick that up.

I take it this is the reason I can only use FWE+EVE 0.97 or FWE+WMK, but not all three together? Trying to get the main menu to show up when I had all three was driving me nuts, I'm glad it's not because of some nooby mistake I was making.

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 8:34 pm

EVE 0.97 won't work "properly" with any of them - the FOIP patch is for 0.96 only. If you try to use it with FWE, one will overwrite the other.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:07 am

So... how is the patch for EVE 0.97 and FWE coming along? Is it close to release or we still have to wait a while?

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:26 am

+1 I would like to know how close those 2 patches are coming along as well, an estimated guess anyways

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:30 pm

I'm trying to run MMM, Project Beauty, Darn UI, FWE, and the patches necessary to get them to work together, but what order should I go about installing these and is there anything special in particular I should do while installing them or be aware of?

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:17 am

I'm trying to run MMM, Project Beauty, Darn UI, FWE, and the patches necessary to get them to work together, but what order should I go about installing these and is there anything special in particular I should do while installing them or be aware of?

Here is the recomended load order for FWE Master Release

Fallout3.esm
Anchorage.esm
ThePitt.esm
BrokenSteel.esm
PointLookout.esm
Zeta.esm

CRAFT.esm
CALIBR.esm
Project Beauty.esm

FO3 Wanderers Edition - Main File.esm
Mart's Mutant Mod.esm

DarNifiedUIF3.esp
Project Beauty- Broken Steel.esp
Project Beauty- Point Lookout.esp

FO3 Wanderers Edition - Main File.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Anchorage.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC The Pitt.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Broken Steel.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Point Lookout.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Mothership Zeta.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - Followers Enhanced.esp (Choose BS OR Non-BS Version) (OPTIONAL)
FO3 Wanderers Edition - OTHER OPTIONAL FWE MODULES

FO3 Wanderers Edition - Project Beauty.esp (FROM FOIP)
FO3 Wanderers Edition - Project Beauty (Followers Enhanced).esp (FROM FOIP)

Mart's Mutant Mod.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Anchorage.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC The Pitt.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Broken Steel.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Point Lookout.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Zeta.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - Project Beauty.esp (FROM PROJECT BEAUTY)
Mart's Mutant Mod - FWE Master Release.esp (FROM FOIP)
Mart's Mutant Mod - Project Beauty + FWE.esp (FROM FOIP)

I hope that it helps, taken from FWE page

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 8:27 am

Here is the recomended load order for FWE Master Release

Fallout3.esm
Anchorage.esm
ThePitt.esm
BrokenSteel.esm
PointLookout.esm
Zeta.esm

CRAFT.esm
CALIBR.esm
Project Beauty.esm

FO3 Wanderers Edition - Main File.esm
Mart's Mutant Mod.esm

DarNifiedUIF3.esp
Project Beauty- Broken Steel.esp
Project Beauty- Point Lookout.esp

FO3 Wanderers Edition - Main File.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Anchorage.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC The Pitt.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Broken Steel.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Point Lookout.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Mothership Zeta.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - Followers Enhanced.esp (Choose BS OR Non-BS Version) (OPTIONAL)
FO3 Wanderers Edition - OTHER OPTIONAL FWE MODULES

FO3 Wanderers Edition - Project Beauty.esp (FROM FOIP)
FO3 Wanderers Edition - Project Beauty (Followers Enhanced).esp (FROM FOIP)

Mart's Mutant Mod.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Anchorage.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC The Pitt.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Broken Steel.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Point Lookout.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Zeta.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - Project Beauty.esp (FROM PROJECT BEAUTY)
Mart's Mutant Mod - FWE Master Release.esp (FROM FOIP)
Mart's Mutant Mod - Project Beauty + FWE.esp (FROM FOIP)

I hope that it helps, taken from FWE page

Thank you for helping, but I didn't mean the load order yet. I'm not that far along. I just mean, what order they should be installed so something dosen't overwrite something else improperly or does it not matter? Also, I'd need CRAFT and CALIBR, unless those are included in the latest version of FWE. Right now, I have the game with all the DLC, FOMM and FOSE. Just need to know my next step to having a fully and properly functioning experience with FWE.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:19 am

Thank you for helping, but I didn't mean the load order yet. I'm not that far along. I just mean, what order they should be installed so something dosen't overwrite something else improperly or does it not matter? Also, I'd need CRAFT and CALIBR, unless those are included in the latest version of FWE. Right now, I have the game with all the DLC, FOMM and FOSE. Just need to know my next step to having a fully and properly functioning experience with FWE.

1)No, they have no "files" that overwrite each other, only the settings in the ESM and ESP, thus they should be loaded in that order.
2) Yes, FWE pack comes with both CRAFT and CALIBR

EDIT: Err, Project beauty might have some texture overwrites with MMM but that hardly matters which one you choose.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:30 am

1)No, they have no "files" that overwrite each other, only the settings in the ESM and ESP, thus they should be loaded in that order.
2) Yes, FWE pack comes with both CRAFT and CALIBR

EDIT: Err, Project beauty might have some texture overwrites with MMM but that hardly matters which one you choose.

Okay, thanks for the help. I'd only imagine its the Raider textures that'd get overwritten by PB, but they should be better anyways. I can always use Paint.NET to see how they look. Thanks again, now I can get started.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 3:19 am

The only one that I can recall with a overwrite issue is that DarN UI needs to be installed before the FWE patch for DarN UI.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 11:27 am

The only one that I can recall with a overwrite issue is that DarN UI needs to be installed before the FWE patch for DarN UI.

Thanks, I got DUI installed first thing so thats good. I'm installing part 1 of FWE now, but I'm concerned whether or not I should click the optional Followers Enhanced feature. I'm wondering if it conflicts with any other popular mods that I might want to install later on. Why is it optional?