Some people only have 2 things to say about New Vegas

1-It s a DLC
2- It s a modded Fallout 3

you thougths?

It's neither, just because it uses a tweaked copy of the engine and art resources doesn't mean it isn't a full-fledged game.

Well, New Vegas has more quests and weapons than Fallout 3 so, I would call it a full game.
Edit: Forget what I said, it was my opinion.

"Some people" meaning yourself? It's not as if it's the majority of people who have played it for any amount of time. At least, I hope no one would think that.

Vice City and San Andreas are not expansion pack/modded game of GTA 3. There I says it.

With that mentality, New Vegas is its own game that uses Fallout 3's base and resource. The similarity tend to end here, IMO. New Vegas was made with RPG in mind, not to mention an overall better story and better writing.

Um, no. It may be the same engine but the writing, plot, and character development is night and day - more true to the originals. FO3 was way too linear, black/white, and shallow in terms of plot/character development though mods did make the gameplay and graphics much more enjoyable. FNV needs to get the bugs worked out but even with them it feels more like a complete stand alone story than FO3.

I really don't understand how anyone can say that New Vegas is a DLC just because of the engine or graphics.

By that logic, Fallout 2 should have been a DLC for Fallout 1. Now, I don't think I have ever seen anyone say that...

Not a DLC, but....... as an expansion........ some people have those thoughts about FO2, and thats terrible,

then by their logic, Dead Rising 2 is a DLC of Dead Rising

Vice City is a reeskined and modded GTA3

HL2 EP1 and EP2 was just. well.............

some people even says that the "hardcoe mode" existed before New Vegas, how dissapointing, some people like to find every flaws of every game, instead of enjoying them :sadvaultboy:

Do you have any understanding of the geography of the United States? Nevada is thousands of miles away from DC. It's not a DLC or an expantion its its own game!

Hey i havent say that NV is a DLC, I say that some people watch NV like a DLC or even worse, an expansion.

New Vegas is a stand-alone, maybe they dont have the exploration like FO3, but its better in term of storyline and handwriting

Sorry to put words in your mouth. Most people that see it as a DLC or and expansion I am guessing have no knowlage of the geography of the United States. Also having no characters from FO3 in New Vegas should also be a big clue that its a stand alone game.

Interesting perspective. Problem is that I have never played a dlc or expansion for any game that after over 55 hours of playing I'm sill not close to the end of the game. If you find an expansion that will do that grab it because at expansion prices it would be a swell deal. So yep, I figure about another 40 hours before I finish this play through, different story, different characters, different places, new weapons, new NPCs, new environment...I've got myself not only an entire game but a damn good one.

And I never worry about what someone else thinks. :dance:

At times, New Vegas can feel like a parallel universe version of Fallout 3; with things being similar but still different. It doesn't really matter, though. With so much to do in New Vegas, its hard to think of the game as anything but a full game.

There is a nice little reference to Fallout 3 in this game, the Wasteland Survival Guide.

Closest example for the series, Fallout 2.

Like New Vegas, Fallout 2 shares the same engine as Fallout 1.
Like New Vegas, Fallout 2 provides much more content than Fallout 1. More factions, more quests, more dialogue (Sometimes the quality between the two can be debated )

Like New Vegas, Fallout 2 was filled with many first-release bugs.

So New Vegas is indeed a standalone, full fledged game.

hardcoe mode did exist before New Vegas, maybe not in the same form but it sure made things harder. It was in Fallout Tactics, hardcoe mode made it so you could not save during missions, so only in your bunker. it might of done more then that but its been so long i dont remember, not to say that im not enjoying my second New Vegas play through, but the idea of hardcoe mode was there

A DLC is essentially an expansion of an existing game. There are direct ties to the environment of the original game. As an example, for Fallout 3, you have Operation Anchorage, The Pitt, Broken Steel, and Point Lookout. A FO3 character can migrate back and forth between those freely, and there is a definite connectivity between the geography of all 5 units (core game and expansions). In comparison, though there is a considerable amount of shared geography between FO and FO2, they are _obviously_ distinctly different games because even though they share the same history up to FO, the fact that FO2 takes place quite a few years later AND you can't carry over the FO character into FO2. Then again, look at Baldur's Gate and BG2: same geography and the same character(s), yet still distinctly different games. That's because BG clearly ended. BG2 is an entirely new adventure that happens to follow a given character (or a new one that is given a backstory to BG). It's sort of like following the adventures of James Bond, Agent 007. Same character in a different adventure, over and over again.

So, yes, FNV shares the same engine, game mechanics, character development procedures, as well as a common history with FO, FO2, and FO3. But given the degree of separation, it is very clearly a stand alone game.

i think the perception is simply bias without playing. It's more of the cannon of Fallout and it's great, I haven't been able to put it down since it launched. I have Gran turismo 5 sitting here and I haven't gotten past the beginner class because I'm spending so much time in Vegas. It feels like a fully realized world with lots of attention to detail and goes far beyond the expansions that were already released for FO3. Those were great little side trips, but this is a whole new experience. It's certainly been worth my time and money, I can't speak for everyone though, but I'm definitely glad that so much creativity and inspiration went into it.

Another tired anology I see the press making is that you don't see these complaints for sports titles that are released year after year. Madden and Tiger Woods get a free pass on using previous engines and development tools but not Obsidian or Bethesda? What gives? What about Street Fighter IV, and then less than 3 months later Super Street Fighter IV? There's a ton more content in Vegas than any of those games.

more of everything?

please tell me where more super mutants are? more schematics are? more interesting things stacked up are? more inside areas (tunnles subways buildingns ect)? more general content (vegas runs out of things ta do quickly)? more trash laying around? more use for items? more gnomes? more gouls? more interesting? ect ect ect

look i dont dislike NV.....but your saying EVERYTHING and i dont think so...

NV runs out of things ta do that are not repetative to quickly....oh got to play again to see all of story...going down a diff story line hardly makes a difference...

tha content int his game becomes repetative to quickly and tha slack on sand box is insulting and disghusting....linear is fail....dont want me going a cetain direction make a reason that makes sense and isnt a childish invisable wall

and no im not a RPG hater lookin for fps content......i like a good story...and i am happy to re read a good one over and over.....NV i am having trouble finding entertainment in tha story a second or third time


anyway the point is you said MORE of EVERYTHING......and i think not even close

Remember hyperboles from english class? I'm guessing he used one.

Yes there is less exploration, ghouls, supermutants, schematics, gnomes etc. But really the only two things there that could possibly be negatives are schematics and exploration. Schematics is made up for by the truckloads of items you can craft from get-go and exploration, well, with the amount of quests in this game I didnt have much need for exploration and when I did explore I enjoyed it - despite less indoor locations. I saw more general content, more uses for items, found it more interesting and have seen a lot more playability in New Vegas compared to F3.

Also, snake and pacman looked similiar, are they DLCs of each other?

but its not more of EVERYTHING opinions on whats fun and whats not and whats replayable and whats not dont really matter as tha point being its not more of everything

Hyperbole. Regardless, it has more of everything that matters to a Fallout fan. Which is essentially what this game is - Obsidians gift to Fallout fans. Notice there is no '3' after Fallout.

People can think it's a CoD rip off because it has guns, I couldn't care less honestly. My opinion is Obsidian did a wonderful job with this game, yes the game has its problems, but no game has ever been bug free, it's a hazard of the industry. But problems aside, the characters are amazing (Mr. House :fallout: ) and well written, the scenery is beautiful, and the new weapons are fun to use. (Hunting Shotgun is my close combat pal )

That said, I dont care what others opinions of it are, the only opinion I care about is mine.

A lot more of exerything, a lot more of what?

My question to the people that say that is. If NV is so much like FO3 how come many of the fans of FO3 hate it so much for being so different lol? NV, and FO3 are nothing alike other then the graphics, simple as that. Its not even a matter of opinion, it is a fact.

Instead of looking at "more" or "less", you should be asking "What is different?" Not as many Supermutants? What would you call the Nightkin? Or the actually civil Supermutants in FNV? Was there anything similar to them in FO3? Or consider the main player factions in FO3; how many do you count of those? Now compare that to the **many** factions of FNV and the fact that each has their own goals and objectives that occasionally -- but only occasionally! -- overlap with another faction. There's a variety of different weapons in FNV that weren't available in FO3 -- and likewise many in FO3 that can't be found in FNV. (Such as the MIRV Fat Man.) Different monsters. Different items. (Such as Hydra, Turbo, Steady, etc)

Look: In today's world, you can go from NYC to Honolulu. Distinctly different, one from the other, but undoubtedly still part of the same country. And do you really expect Honolulu to have as extensive of a subway network as the one in NYC? Is it reasonable to complain that Honolulu doesn't have as extensive subway network? The landscape is substantially different between FO3 and FNV, and that is as it should be given the Real World geography. If things were too similar, undoubtedly some people would be complaining, "It's just a FO3 re-tread!"

"You can please some of the people some of the time. You can please some of the people all of the time. But you can never please ALL of the people ALL of the time."