I have hated Delphine's attitude since I got the Horn,Esbern seems peaceful,for all we know Esbern could be getting forced into agreeing with her.Delphine is a 'Thorn in my side' and someone I really want dead.

Just saying, the Dragonguard begged Reman to take them, crying while saying "we were looking for you" and I assume follow it with whispers of "while raiding and looting your kingdom... sort of"

Their very first objective was to conquer Tamriel. But Reman, Akatosh bless his badassery, Shouted and the Akaviri forces suddenly surrendered out of ringing ears.

Their second objective was to not be killed, and so they pledged allegiance to the Big Boss.

The dragonguard didn't really have any other purpose. The lands of Akavir have got their own share of dragons (they've driven their dragons to extinction), and they probably find it boring to kill each other, and attack Tamriel instead.

And now you have more Lore material to think of: the lands of Akavir have more than one race, and all of them were at war with each other. Guess which kingdom attacked Tamriel?

In one particular Cavern is the Last resting place of one of the Blades. He had gone into the Cavern , likely knowing what was in the Cavern would kill him, and left a note and his Sword at an Altar of Talos. Disturbing to find, and the Thalmor will lose heads over it. That Sword needs to be Honoured.

Revenge is a dish best served with lemon juice. Oh the sting in the wounds.

Pfff...Don't even get em started on the Blades of Skyrim, Morrowind and Oblivion did the Blades justice, Skyrim's Blades are just a joke, a hot-headed little barmaid and an old paranoid bookwurm.

Now let's look at Oblivion (as there is also a ''Blade duo'' here, Grandmaster Jauffre and Baurus.)
Really, they are like a ''team'' but they still feel very ''Blade-ish'' if you know what I mean.



Anyways sorry for the spelling, I suffer from dyslexia so please excuse me on that part.

I hear you there. "Go find Baurus, and don't say nuthin'!"
Baurus: "Not here. To the basemant".

It feels awesome. They feel like special undercover field agents. Unlike two nutheads in Skyrim.

I developed a liking to Jauffre and Baurus, I really dug Jauffres voice, until all other Bretons stole from him >

I was really sad when he perished, but at least he died at my side. I just hope he got a worthy funeral.

I enjoyed the deviation from the "nobel" blades to fearmongering alley dwellers but I never liked them

Well of course the Blades were all but wiped out by the Altmeri Dominion, so it was just the two of them. Even if they hadn't been wiped out, they're based out of Cyrodill, not Skyrim, so they would never have had a strong presence there unless the Emperor paid Skyrim a visit. It didn't really surprise me that the Blades were reduced to two people. After all the last known Dragonborn died two hundred years prior to events of Skyrim. (Martin Septim) The Blades were created specifically protect and guide the Dragonborn, and with no Dragonborn, they were all but lost in purpose. So even if the Altmeri Dominion didn't hunt them down and eradicate them, I think that they would've disbanded by themselves with over two hundred years without another Dragonborn.

My biggest disappointment as far as fractured factions go, was the Dark Brotherhood. In Oblivion, they were in every province with hidden sanctuaries all over Tamriel. They had structure. The five tenets guided the Brotherhood and the Black Hand was the ruling body of the Brotherhood. Two hundred years later, they are almost non existent! WTF happened? It just doesn't make sense. This is a group of assassins who killed anyone for the right amount of coin, and they were spread out everywhere. I mean, I don't think there was a drop in business. There's always someone praying to the Night Mother to have someone killed, right? The Dark Brotherhood was almost assuredly one hundred times bigger than the blades and as I've said before, had a further reach than them too. So why did they suffer near the same fate? According to the game, the sanctuary in Skyrim (Later Dawnstar sanctuary) is the last functioning Dark Brotherhood base in all of Tamriel! It's just really hard to grasp the concept that in ALL of Tamriel, that is the only Dark Brotherhood clan.

Trouble is, the game shows players reasons to trust him while only telling players reasons to kill him.

The main plot also forces Delphine into several unlikable actions. Nibani Maesa of Morrowind better written: the player had to make a long journey to seek Maesa, then she gave seven quests all at once with a coherent reasoning and sat back in her yurt.

quoted from Chaos rings 2 by araki:
"i dont like that guy. It gives me enough reason to kill him"
so yea, thats my attitute towards them blades

Totally. Recent RPG's seem to have a habit of forcing me into groups I want nothing to do with (Cerberus in Mass Effect 2, The Sceptres in Mass Effect 1 and 3, The Grey Wardens in Dragon Age, The Brotherhood of Steel in Fallout 3). When I saw the opportunity to get out I took it.

As for Delphine and Esbern refusing to help you in spite of their oaths, well I actually didn't mind that. Frankly I was sick of them treating me like God's greatest gift to man just because I happen to be Dragonborn (with all that, you go in before us, it's your right! nonsense at Sky haven Temple). I'd prefer it if they judged me on personal merit rather than on a fluke of my genes, so I did like that they stood up to me. What I didn't like is that they did it for the most boneheaded of reasons.

First of all, they expect the Dragoborn to risk their lives fighting Paarthurnax before taking care of Alduin. Parthy's no push over, after all he taught the voice to humanity and helped to train the Dragonborn, so he knows your abilities and how to fight you better than any other Dragon. Even if the Dragonborn is tough enough to take him on he or she could just get unlucky and get killed, in which case there would be no one to fight Alduin. In essence, the Blades want to risk the fate of the whole world on personal revenge, and on that basis I can't trust them to be rational.

Worst of all, they derive from the Akavari Dragonguard who invaded and conquered Skyrim before suddenly switching sides to help the Empire. Sound familiar? Flippin' hypocrites.

It's not flipping sides.

Paarthurnax is fighting his inner evil every day. He is not GOOD, he is still EVIL, he just restrains himself. He even admits that there is no day he doesn't think about going back to his former self. This is what the Blades are afraid of.

I still belive Bethesda could have done it better but putting all the blame on Blades is simply unfair.

I use to like the Blades... Then I met Delphine and was requested to kill Paarthurnax... Now, I am glad they are 'Zero' and hope they stay as so.

His restraint makes him a better being than the blades.

A matter of opinion.

Looking at it objectively, killing Paarthurnax is a stupid decision. He's the most likely candidate to become the leader of the dragons after Alduin's defeat and seems committed to peace. If he is successful, you have an ally helping curb dragon attacks and only have to worry about the dragons that fail to follow the Way. However, if you kill Paarthurnax, you've eliminated an ally and the one dragon you knew who could have become their leader. Now the dragons are A: Leaderless and just doing whatever they want, or B: will fall under the rule of a dragon that does not subscribe to the Way of the Voice.

Actually they'll all either submit to the the Dovahkiin like Odahviing... or die. At least that's what I think after watching the final sceen. After Alduin's death we are the strongest Dovah.

Odahviing was kind of a special case though, since we knew his name and could openly challenge him. There are a bunch of dragons out there whose names we don't know, meaning we'd have to track them down ourselves, which would be quite the undertaking. We don't even know if they remained in Tamriel following Alduin's passing. They may have gone to other continents too.

Well it's a matter of a simple question. Does one belive that a true Evil can become Good.

Although Paarthunax may have good intentions trying to convince his brothers to follow the path of peace, I can't bring myself to belive he will make any big differance. Probably the Blades will regain their strength as a new Dragonguard and hunt the beasts down with or w/o Dragonborns help.

In that case I would rather kill Paarthurnax myself than leave him on their mercy. Other dragons can either submit or die. The Dragonborns current decision may have a huge impact on the distant future.

This is my point of view. Funny thing I have yet to decided on my playthrough what side should I choose. However I try to consider everything from a wider perspective. Sometimes doing the bad thing might the right thing to do (lesser evil).

Your question hinges on the belief that dragons are truly evil. I don't believe that's the case.

Also, if I was unable to sway the Blades into siding with me, I'd simply create my own Dragonguard that was trained to work hand in hand with dragons rather than trying to kill them all. They would view Paarthurnax, Odahviing, and any other dragons I could get on my side as allies.

We'd be in opposition to the Blades, but considering they have at most 10 in their ranks (looking at some of their allies like Secret-Fire and the innkeeper as potential Blades) that are being hunted down by the Thalmor and have nobody backing them or invested in their continued survival, I don't think they'll last long on their own.

If it comes down where me and an ally are at odds, I'll always let them strike first. I'm not going to betray Paarthurnax, and I'm not going to wipe out the Blades for disagreeing with me. I will however destroy anyone who betrays me or tries to make war against me.

I hate You!

I was so close with pushing the main quest further...

I'm... sorry?

If you're talking about the Paarthurnax quest, you can continue down the main quest without doing it.

Yea but sooner or later I'll have to decide.

I agree, but the main reason they want him dead is because of his old crimes, not that he could turn again. Sure, they make an off hand refffence to the possiblity but almost every line they say about it is something to the effect of 'He deserves to die!' Not a harsh but pragmatic, 'We need to stop him from turning agian.' I know they mention it but they seem way more caught up on the revenge deal, and that's where there hypocrisy comes in since if Reman Cyrodil followed Delphine's logic he should have executed the Dragonguard then and there. The Blades don't even know about Paarthy's compulsions as he's the one who tells you and Esbern reasons that he's simply lying. Which raises another problem, if Paatthy's just manipulating you to take Alduin's place then why did he reveal his addiction and give you another reason to kill him? And since they're willing to risk the existence of the world for revenge on one dragon, would a Blade order headed by Delphine be any more trustworthy than Paarthurnax? (Plus it was Kynereth who convinced him to turn, and I'll take the word of a Godess over a couple of revenge blinded loons.)

The truth is Paarthunax has fulfilled Kynereth's wish. Does he deserve to live forever though?

I would say it's the Blades deserve a chance to fight back against those that nearly annihilated them.