My game crashes for no reason (outdoors) - how do I find out : V

» Sat Jun 16, 2012 9:12 pm

Like in topic, also, here's my modlist

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Skyrim.esm
Update.esm
CLARALUX - More and Brighter Lights.esm
SkyMoMod.esm
JSwords.esm
Lycanthropy_Audio_by_Brevi.esm
Natural Characters and Companions.esm
customGraph.esm
ApachiiHair.esm
RaceCompatibility.esm
Extended Colors.esm
SoS - The Wilds.esp
TexturesPack_PL.esp
VanillaUsesCustom.esp
custom female anims.esp
Colorful Torches.esp
HighResTexturePack01.esp
HighResTexturePack02.esp
Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp
Improved Combat Sounds v2.0.esp
ICS Possible Fix 1.esp
SoS - The Dungeons.esp
Better Dynamic Snow.esp
Realistic Lighting.esp
Further Dark Dungeons for ENB.esp
Warmer Magic Lights v2.esp
enhanceddynamicweathersystem.esp
Weapons and Armor fixes.esp
Weapons and Armor fixes - Hacks.esp
StaticMeshImprovementMod.esp
83Willows_101BUGS_V4_LowRes.esp
Ars Metallica.esp
Behemoth Dragon.esp
Birdsofskyrim.esp
Bring Out Your Dead.esp
Catsofskyrim.esp
ClamsDropPearls.esp
Cowardly horses.esp
Crimson Tide - Blood.esp
dbmisc.esp
Death Cam (60 Seconds).esp
Dogsofskyrim.esp
Dr_Bandolier.esp
DSpSoB.esp
EveryoneGetInside.esp
huntingprofit.esp
UnlimitedBookshelves.esp
Lost Art of the Blacksmith.esp
MoreSnowWindy.esp
morevillageanimals.esp
People Have Torches.esp
Perfect Legionnaire 3.0.esp
PilgrimsDelight.esp
RabbitsPlus.esp
ScenicCarriages.esp
SkyMoMod_lists.esp
SMDropLitTorch.esp
Auto Unequip Arrows.esp
DYNAVISION Dynamic Depth of Field.esp
IMAGINATOR - Visual Control for Skyrim.esp
iHUD.esp
Necessary Map Markers (all files included).esp
Basara.esp
Cloaks.esp
daedric_phelm.esp
Northborn Fur Hoods.esp
FlameAtronachArmor.esp
FS_SwordOfTheSeeker.esp
FullBootForKKSA.esp
HUM_Armor.esp
HuntressArmor.esp
isilNarsil.esp
LFArmors.esp
loners_sword.esp
lordamor.esp
R18Pn - Argent Iron Armor.esp
Remodeled Armor.esp
RogueArmor.esp
Reaper's Hunter's Armor.esp
SamuraiArmor.esp
ScampsIron.esp
ScoutArmor.esp
TrissArmorRetextured.esp
Smithing Perks Overhaul - Balanced.esp
Complete Crafting Overhaul.esp
DeadlyDragons.esp
DeadlyDragonsArmory.esp
CampingKitNorthernRanger.esp
RiversideLodge.esp
Whiterun Spruce by ReVan1199.esp
GM-HMSPotions3SecsWeighted.esp
Weighted Items.esp
SkyrimCoinReplacer.esp
AddChoices01.esp
AT - Loot Arrows +25%.esp
AT - Faster Arrows Improved +50%.esp
AT - Merchants Arrows +25%.esp
AT - Recover 10% Less Arrows.esp
AT - Increased Progressive Damage (BS and CCO) +50%.esp
Proper Aiming.esp
ArrowInTheEverywhere_Med_Longer.esp
BetterQuestObjectives.esp
Hypothermia.esp
ImmediateDragons.esp
masser Size x0.5.esp
More Dynamic Shadows.esp
dD-No Spinning Death Animation.esp
NonEssentialChilds.esp
posesivecorpses.esp
RevampedExteriorFog.esp
secunda Size x0.5.esp
Slightly Reduced Distance NPC Greetings.esp
SkyRe_Main.esp
SkyRe_Races.esp
SkyRe_Combat.esp
SkyRe_Plugin_DragonBoneWeaponsComplete_1.03.esp
SkyRe_Enemies.esp
SkyRe_StandingStones.esp
SkyRe_Plugin_JaySuSSwords_1.3D.esp
SkyRe_Plugin_NicoroshiCreations_1.1.esp
SkyRe_Plugin_DaggerCraft_1.3.esp
SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators.esp
VariousGuardReplacer.esp
dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Reduced.esp
TRO_BasicNeeds.esp
TRO_BasicNeeds_WATERPatch.esp
SkyRe_Vampirism.esp
Lycanthropy_Main_by_Brevi.esp
Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp
MidasSkyrim.esp
BFSEffects.esp
DeadlySpellImpacts.esp
DeadlySpellImpacts - Two Fire.esp
More Visible Soul Trap Effect.esp
Realistic crime report radius.esp
The Dance of Death.esp
Dual Wield Parrying_ScriptDragon.esp
LovelyHairstyles.esp
MissAniThrope's Mystic Eyes.esp
ZazimelDrow.esp
UFO - Ultimate Follower Overhaul.esp
Natural Characters and Companions.esp
zzz_Jenassa_MAKEOVER_by83Willow.esp
moveitLWT.esp
skyrimdefenders.esp
Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
Extended Colors - Selection.esp
Animated Weapon Enchants.esp
UnreadBooksGlow.esp
WATER.esp
WATER - Get Wet.esp
GreenWaterFixForWATER.esp
ASIS-Dependency.esp
ASIS.esp

I know it's doable somehow, I think I've seen the way for meshes or something.

» Sat Jun 16, 2012 7:00 pm

It's more likely caused by a mod that adds spawns/changes spawns that is causing issues, Considering the vast amount of mods you have installed i would suggest unticking one at a time & loading the game to test.

CLARALUX - More and Brighter Lights.esm, Not sure it's compatible with realistic lighting & i saw something ENB in there as well, Considering that you use Deadly Dragons with the monster mod & other mods that change levelled lists i would suggest using Wyre Bash.

Untick them all & try one at a time, unless you have carefully added the mods & checked compatibilty it does appear to be an absolute mess of mods & very disorganised with many different mods doing the same thing.

» Sun Jun 17, 2012 12:33 am

Does it crash after a certain time, or when approaching a certain place, or (seemingly) at random? Place specific crash may just be a corrupted spawn, that will clear out when the game resets the cell. If it persist after that, the culprit is most likely a mod that modifies that area or a creature spwan happening there. Random crashes are the most difficult to find, as it's usually caused by mods that just don't like each other.

And since this in the general discussion for now; for the console players: this is the ugly side of modding

» Sun Jun 17, 2012 6:04 am

Realistic Lightning isn't used by me, sorry, but the list shows even inactive mods.

What I found out was that with Live Your Life, if I had chosen any starting location, the game would load after choosing bed, and then crash after one second or so. I've removed WARZONES as it seemed to me like a problem with things activating on finishing first quest; this fixed the instant crash problem however now it's freezing, it seems non-random to me or memory-related: I load up, say, option "I'm hunting in the woods", spawn there, walk around a bit but when I pass ~2 min of running around in a certain direction, the game freezes (not: crashes). Weird, cause I believed that crashes were caused by an invalid mesh or something like that, now I'm not that sure.

I'm going to run a few tests to see when it crashes etc.

Untick them all & try one at a time, unless you have carefully added the mods & checked compatibilty it does appear to be an absolute mess of mods & very disorganised with many different mods doing the same thing.

I disagree, there are a lot of mods but I've started with going by S.T.E.P. guide then added some of my own. SkyRe is the most important recent change in my modlist, and the game wasn't crashing before.

And since this in the general discussion for now; for the console players: this is the ugly side of modding

Worth the beauty part, I know I wouldn't survive long on consoles without mods :biggrin:

» Sun Jun 17, 2012 8:01 am

Realistic Lightning isn't used by me, sorry, but the list shows even inactive mods.

Just an FYI, unlike with previous games, you need to remove all files related to the mod to truly deactivate it, those files are still read by the game even if the plugin is deactivated. BAIN comes in especially handy with Skyrim because of that.

» Sun Jun 17, 2012 4:06 am

I've had this happen to me quite often when using a bow outdoors, turned out it was a mod that made arrows longer and quivers closer to the body. Try deactivating your archery mods.

» Sat Jun 16, 2012 8:34 pm

Just an FYI, unlike with previous games, you need to remove all files related to the mod to truly deactivate it, those files are still read by the game even if the plugin is deactivated. BAIN comes in especially handy with Skyrim because of that.

I was using only the .ESP.

I've had this happen to me quite often when using a bow outdoors, turned out it was a mod that made arrows longer and quivers closer to the body. Try deactivating your archery mods.

Turned that off, didn't work. It isn't bow related I guess:

Here's what I did, I've chosen path of "I'm hunting/camping in the wild" or something in live your life - the option that puts you near burned Helgen, and here's the trick, the important part: if I keep moving to Helgen, nothing happens at all, I'm playing freely during that time, exploring Helgen etc. however, if I choose the path leading to Riverwood, the one that if you choose it you can see the first dungeoun's ruins immidietaly in the far - game FREEZES (not crashes) if I walk until certain distance, AKA in the very same place, always.

Now I wish we had some Skyrim's House M.D... I bet this is some spawn bug - the crash and/or freeze was only happening once I've got outdoors in the game (and as some of you might now, Live Another Life has some starting places indoors, like the Vampire Lair), or a mesh that is loaded right after I go through a place.

I just don't have any idea on how to check what's being loaded right before the crash.

By the way, how does BAIN differ from NMM in the way it install mods? I always thought about making ALL of my mods into BAIN packages, so that I could easily upgrade/delete mods, but how does it work? I have many overlapping mods but I need to remember all that [censored], what to overwrite and whatnot, does Wrye Bash have any solution for overlapping mods which I keep updating etc.? Say, an update appeared for a mod "in the middle" - overwriting certain mod but being overwrited by another for different files. And if I updated it, then it wouldn't overwrite the "higher mod's" files.