Personally, I've been a big fan of Bethesda since I first played Arena. Nothing they have ever done disappointed me. Frustrate? Most certainly. I have suffered through crash after crash. I've played games with such low frame rates they were unplayable. They've always fixed the problems and hardware has caught up so that the frame rate wasn't an issue. I've always been impressed by what they put into a game though. Truly a marvel to behold. I hope New Vegas isn't a first. I don't care that it's not a new engine. I assume that's most people's concern. I just want my money's worth in terms of the labor that went into it. If they put as much labor into this as Fallout 3 then I'm not going to be disappointed. The game looks fine to me, I just want to see new stuff. I want new buildings, new tiles, new furnishings, new clutter, new cloths, new weapons. I don't care how much is reused and along as there's plenty of new stuff too and clearly more new stuff than an expansion.

Bethesda didn't make New Vegas, Obsidian did, Beth are just publishing it

There hasn't been an expansion this glorified since Rome began conquering territory outside Italy.

A. Obsidian is developing New Vegas

B. They are reusing old textures and made alot of new textures.

C. Weapons and armor are extensively overhauled as are everything else.

Every game is a glorified extension of Pong (or Tetris, depending where you come from). So your point being?

No offense, LilBudy, but a quick skimming of a few previews should allay your fears about this being an expansion. Not only is there a lot of new stuff, but even better, there's a branching story and characters and factions that you can actually interact with in meaningful ways that have consequences. Not to mention as much or more content than Fallout 3 had. I don't think we need to worry about it being re-hash of Fallout 3.

The game that is glorified and bloody are Camageddon and Thrill kill!!
Anyone remember those games lol :facepalm:

This. Period.

This is getting silly now.
Games in all genre's keep the same engine afew times in most cases ,when new releases come out.
Just ripping up the core game engine every time doesnt happen. If you look at the GTA games the core engine was pretty much the same over the course of the various releases.

http://twitter.com/JimSterling/status/27468203203

You are so sigged.

That should be an ingame quote.

Caesar: There hasn't been an expansion this glorified since Rome began conquering territory outside Italy.

Player Response (Good Karma): Wait, didn't they have to conquer Italy first?
Player Response (Bad Karma): Today New Vegas, tomorrow the Mojave Wasteland!
Player Response (Wild Wasteland option only): *snort* It's a spin-off, not an expansion!
Player Response (Low Intelligence Only): ...wait, are we fighting the Mafia too?

Lol awesome

Hell no dude, this game is gonna be huge

Azula, that is one of the most awesome responses I have ever read on the subject. I will try and give my own thoughts though.

If New Vegas is a gloried expansion, so was FO2, and that turned out pretty darn well, some of my personal problems with FO2 aside.

More game companies should recycle their engine and assets to focus more on gameplay and story, and the world would be a better place. A world where game reviewers had to rate games on real meaningful principles, just like movie reviewers (try to) do. A world where PC players wouldn't have to constantly upgrade their hardware to continue to enjoy a franchise.

I agree with the tough to please bastard that is Jim Sterling - "If it is an expansion, it is an expansion worth $60."

This is some of the stuff they've added:

Companion wheel
Companion perks
Weapon mods
hardcoe mode
More quests
New factions
Gambling
Traits
Binoculars
Night/Thermal vision
Nightkins
Snow
More Freindly Super-Mutants
More than twice the guns
More joinable factions
Reputation
New drugs
Repair kits
Doctors bags
Unique speach options for low intellegence characters.
Crafting
Poison/Medicine making
Ammo crafting
Disguises
180 quests
Ability to Play-Through as a pacifist
Ability to kill every person in-game except for one.
Iron Sights
Non-Lethal ammo types
Ammo Type Switching
Faction ranking
Advanced power armor
Deeper Main Quest
More choices/endings
Electricity
hokers/Strippers
Stregnth/skill requirments for weapons
More Currencies
Courier Missions
Higher level cap
Vegetation
Perks every 2 levels

Seriously, I think of New Vegas as the Fallout 3 I wanted years ago. So its not so much an 'expansion' as 'The other Fallout 3.'

Carmageddon was the best car game ever! I was sick with the 'style points'

An expanding, branching and growing story will keep me very happy. I already like the game and gameplay. I feel like I'm in a movie and it's not a reality show, thank heavens. Good writing is #1, puzzles, a story that can touch me and I can interact with and it's in my control. More is better on my favorite games.

That being said, I don't think it's an 'expansion' because there's so much that is new and with so many hours of gameplay, I know I'll get my money's worth...that's the key.

:fallout:

Thats exactly how I feel about it ;D. FO3 wasn't a Fallout game to me, it should have just been called "DC Wasteland" or something.

Well if this was an expasion it wouldn't have all the content that it does then. Yes it uses the same engine, and yes it looks "almost" the same as Fallout 3, but it is not an expansion and it's not a sequal either. It's a stand alone product. There has been quite a few change, while the game play is still the same.

This game is meant to be an interquel or spinoff so I think of it as Fallout 3.5 which makes me happy as I don't have to wait 5 years for a full blown sequel on a new engine.

Awesome. I was gonna say something like that but you beat me to it



Yup. Played Carmageddon 2 in school. After that we had a Solitaire tournament. I won.

Spinoff is a great way of describing what New Vegas is. I wouldn't say Fallout 3.5 because it has nothing to due with Washington at all.

True, spinoff is probably the right term to use but I suppose the term interquel can also be used, at least in a chronological sense, as the events in New Vegas are supposed to take place 3 years after the events in Washington DC and most likely prior to the events in Fallout 4.