So I've got the Solitude Housecarl, Jordis the Sword Maiden. I went on UESP to look up her hit points and it says this is how you determine how many HP she has:

100+(PC-1)×11.7

My character right now is Level 33, so I'm putting the "33" where it says PC, and I'm getting 1,474.

100 + 33-1 = 132. 132 x 11.7 = 1,474

..that can't be right. Anyone know the correct answer. I got ice cream!

That's not how math works. 32 is multiplied by 11.7 before it gets added to 100. It should be:

100 + (33-1) * 11.7
100 + 32 * 11.7
100 + 374.4
474.4

edit: Besides, 132 * 11.7 is 1544.4, not 1474

It seems that should be 1.7 and not 11.7.

Where are you seeing that formula RG?

If that was the case then it should be
100 + (( PC -1) * 11.7)

EDIT : Sorry for the double post.

Fundemental Order of Operations dictates that the extra ( ) are not needed.

This is correct.

Yes, but like the Oxford comma, it often helps to more clearly illustrate an equation for non-specialists.

You always multipy/divide before you add/subtract when not in (parenthaseese) wow that was some horrible spelling right there.

I never understood why that backwards rule was implemented. We read and do math from left to right, doing what is in ( ) first. That should read as 32*11.7 + 100. All the FOO mess was thought up by someone to confuse others.

fix'd

The first post was painful enough, but this is just... ugh.

I know, I'll just go now.

@edit
I'm sorry. I had to. I just can't take this.



You can't be serious. We DO NOT do math from left to right. We do it according to the general rules, which clearly state you multiply/divide before adding/substracting. It's like... the most basic thing in maths. This, and that brackets always go first. You can't even begin to solve any mathematical problems without knowing and applying these basic rules.
They make everything so much easier.

Thanks

Wait what

I don't understand why some of you people get so flustered by others that use bad grammar and have poor mathematical skills. You got an A on the Algebra pop quiz last week, and we are all very proud for you. Yes I do math from left to right. I write problems out from left to right and top to bottom.

If that makes you sigh, hiss and ugh, then I'm sorry.

I'm good at words. I don't need numbers.

Thank you Tuch. Cookies and ice cream for you!

Cinco: I got that straight from UESP. Cut & paste it, so it's definitely 11.7. Tuch's answer sounds about right, so I'll go with that. Thanks.

Not everyone knows the "Fundemental Order of [mathematical] Operations." When speaking, or publishing, one should take into account the audience. Therefore, the parenthesis should have been included

I would too. Even if it was 1.7 that would be too low. I think.

Yes, you do approach equations from left to right. PEMDAS is actually Parenthesis, Exponent, (Multiplication or Division, from left to right), (Addition or Subtraction, from left to right).

It's not about you, it's about people in general. I see so much of this lately, people who make the most basic mistakes and say "So what? I don't care."
But it's important to know these things, otherwise why do we even have public education system? Why do we go to any schools at all? It's all right not to understand integral calculus or not to be able to properly anolyze a poem, but we should all at least know the alphabet.
Fundamental order of operations is mathematical alphabet.

I just kind of want to ask "Where were the teachers?", but I guess it's no use. I'll go and be shocked and disillusioned somewhere else.

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I see it like this. No matter your age or educational background. As a matter of fact some of the older crowd around did not have the educational opportunities that are available to a lot of young people today.

One can convey a verbal message in many different ways and still get the point across. But if you are using a formula to convey a problem and you want me to get the same answer as you, it better be from left to right and it better contain...( ). FOO or not.

Having said that, I think the OP got her answer.

EDIT : If the WIKI or UESP is trying to display and convey an equation to figure the HPs of a given follower, then they should include it in a form that everyone worldwide would be able to understand. To me that includes ( ).

EDIT 2 : I fixed your post for ya.

Here, here! Yes, we need more ppl to point this out. IMO it all started with "no child left behind" (or earlier, actually "no child left behind" was just a political slogan meant to align the politicians with the then present US public attitude, for reelection purposes). The idea might have been a valiant one, but in the execution of the mandate it turned into a dumbing down of everyone. It allowed those who didn't deserve to graduate, to still graduate. IMO college degrees don't mean much any more, much less high school diplomas. Perhaps it is not like this in other continents?

Exactly how long do you think "No Child Left Behind" has been around? People are suddenly stupider within just the last few years? Really? Math bullies are so tedious...

It got worse W/the popularity of texting and Internet forums like this one - when everyone started abbreviating to extremes

Oh come on. It's practically basic rule number one, one of the very first you should've learned when doing math in school. I'm rather surprised someone doesn't know about it, assuming he/she's over 12 years old and/or not living in a developing country ...

What surprises me even more however, is the nonchalance people are showing about making such a mistake. So what, people don't care anymore whether they're smart or dumb? I really honestly don't get it. And I don't even like math myself. I'm a language person.