I have only recently registered here in the forums; I prefer to lurk and follow topics, and I only usually directly get involved with a forum if something concerns/upsets/interests me (etc). Today, while at work doing my thing, I found some free time to really think about something that has nagged at me for quite a while. I love bethesda, I love their games, I absolutely love Skyrim, and I really think its cool how they're giving the fans what they want. Unfortunately, as a PS3 player, I can't help but feel hurt. If it wasn't for us, and of course everyone else (I am treating "us" as the universal term for fans from 360/PC/PS3 platforms respectfully), they wouldn't nearly be as phenominal of a success as they are now. And it's cool that they're giving us what we want, like I said, but here's my nagging issue: I feel like the ps3 fanbase is just an after thought for them, even though we too heped them get where they are today. I hate to bring up a dead horse, but I can't help but feel we are getting shunned, and I have some examples as to why I think this, so please don't lock unless it turns into a horrible flame war. I'm sure this has been said before, but I really wanted to get this off my chest.

Oblivion was the first sign of what appeared to be dislike for the ps3 and its fanbase. I had the 360 GOTY edition for Oblivion, so I played it vigourously in my youth. I enjoyed the DLC on the side too, i.e. battlehorn fortress, the tower, etc, that minor stuff. Unfortunately, as with all things of this nature, my enjoyment literally CEASED the second my 360 decided to ring out and die. I had a very difficult time with their customer service, they were rude, they didn't even CARE, yada yada yada, my point being that it left a bad taste in my mouth as I sat there and waited for my coffin to come in the mail. I got a new 360, and the HDD fell on the pavement at my moms house as I regularly traveresed there to visit (the 360 was for when everyone was asleep). Needless to say, the HDD just quit. And I lost EVERYTHING. Remembering their rudeness, I essentially told microsoft to hit the road and invested all my 360 games (and system) into a ps3 FAT, I also forgot to mention my fondness for Fallout 3 as well, and that file was gone. Basically, I purcheased both GOTY editions of F3 and Oblivion, eagerly waiting to sink my fangs int their worlds once more. I had money, I was looking for all the stuff like battlehorn castle, the tower, etc. On PSN. Mind you, I have already purchased these things with the 360, and I WAS WILLING to buy them AGAIN, since I am a huge fan of their work. Imagine my surprise when none of that stuff was even available to me with the ps3. My first question was "what the hell? why don't the ps3 customers get that stuff?" I shrugged it off (and though minor, I would LOVE an explanation for why that stuff never saw the light of day on PSN) and just told myself I'm lucky they even have it for ps3 in the first place.

Wasn't fallout 3 in similar waters with us skyrim fans on ps3? Correct me if I'm wrong (I only speak my mind if I truly believe I have ALL the facts straight), but weren't the expansions a timed exclusive as well? Though not personally affecting me as I got the GOTY edition down the road, I couldn't help but notice that there were now 2 different things microsoft got to benefit from while the ps3 fanbase got nothing. I understand a good chunk of this was because of SONY being a cheapskate, but it upsets me that bethesda would segregate and alienate their fans on ps3 by putting us second. Shou;dn't the customer come first? Why couldn't they just tell microsoft to bugger off? Why not say "Hey, our fans don't deserve that. We aren't going to alienate our fanbase."? The people like ME, who were willing to REPURCHASE their stuff, although on PS3, don't deserve to constantly be second handed. Why can't they view us all as equal? Moving on, I began to play F3. As soon as I got to the point where I could handle the DLC with my character, the game started to get horribly, horribly laggy and constantly crashed. Something I rarily experienced on the 360 was now a far from distant occurance on my ps3. At the time, people were outraged. I read about people who would beg and beg bethesda to fix the issue for ps3, and still to this DAY, there has NOT been a patch to fix it. Why not bethesda? Haven't we given you our money too? Why can't we be treated equally? Why ignore our pleas when all we want to DO is enjoy your games? And moving on to skyrim.

I STILL purchased skyrim after feeling neglected in SOME ways (obviously not all, but some). I was right there in the mall on release night, so excited I could barely contain myself. I rushed home and popped it into my ps3, and off I went. The game ran flawlessly for a while, until I reached that ONE point where the lag started to spike. And I remember reading about how bethesda neglected to send reviewers the ps3 version of the game. Looking back, sure, it's viable to believe they didn't want the unfixed lag to impact ps3 sales, but on the flip side, why take our money if you're just gonna keep leaving us trailing behind like a dangling carrot? I mean, if that's true, you want our money, but yet you neglect us. AND you were okay with lying to us about fixing the LAG with that one patch (1.2 I believe?) AND you were OKAY with us playing a broken version of the game, as long as you got our money (these are just MY theories, mind you) it was like you didn't care (you of course meaning bethesda). Turns out, we ps3 fans couldn't even TOUCH our game until late march (right? correct me if I'm wrong), and the game came out in NOVEMBER. And what irks me NOW the most is this EXCLUSIVE BS. After all these things we ps3 users have dealt with stemming as far back as OBLIVION, why would you turn your back on us AGAIN bethesda? Why couldn't you tell microsoft "not this time" just this once? What the hell did we do to you?

No one is going to read that borg cube of text, edit it and add paragraphs.

Ok. Edited. Sorry folks, I got on a tangent, but I'm honestly disappointed.

Why not just buy another Xbox for like 200 bucks if ps3 is bothering you that much...

No, I love my ps3. I just think that after all that crap they pulled, it's just...idk, insulting? Yeah, insulting that they put us on the backburner again. Like they think it's okay to do this stuff to the ps3 because, you know, "who cares"?

I'm not going to pretend to be an expert on such things, but I believe one of the reasons the ps3 is "neglected" is because of the way the console works. I read something about it when the rumors about the ps4 said it wouldn't be backwards compatible, the reason being that the ps3 used some wierd out of the ordinary internal design that made it harder for devs to create/port games for it. Could be wrong, but thats what I think. I think the guys at Bethesda are working on the ps3, it's just so different from other consoles that the patches etc. don't always work. as for dlc, Micro$oft likes to try and force people to buy their stuff with exclusives. That's my take on your whole situation.

You should have stuck with Xbox, as you had the games for it, or inquired to see if all your Xbox content was available for PS3. The lag is a problem that has been unsolvable since Oblivion came out and is likely an engine problem: gamebryo and creation are prone to lag and bugs.

Bethesda will not refuse a large sum of money from Microsoft because it feels sorry for its fans. If anything, be angry at Sony for not caring enough to make a counter-offer for exclusivity of Dawnguard and other content as well as their choice of hardware that is, in part, responsible for your lag. It's hard not to feel cheated in your position, but please don't buy into this sense of entitlement that fans are exhibiting with the timed exclusivity of Dawnguard and associated Bethesda issues.

No entitlement here. I'm not even asking for pity. My point is that after all the crap they've done to the ps3, why not just treat us as equals for once? I don't even WANT exclusiveness. I'd rather everyone get it, period. No matter what, at the same time. Is that so much to ask? And I do know it's SONY being cheap. It's not all SONY though. And even if it's been an unfixable issue with the ps3, why the hell can't they just give us a break and just release it for everyone at once? Moreso since we DO have those issues.....

In the end, you get the DLC. I play on PC and sometimes console gamers (for no comprehensible reason at all) get official DLC before us.

yea actually it is too much to ask, beth is a company and their first priority is money (if they can be good to the consumer at the sae time, well hell, thats awsome! but that is ot always the case), although i will agree that they shoud at least attempt to work out the bugs for everyone (iv heard stories about ps3 beth games being more buggy than 360, hard to believe but they should try to fix those bugs)

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It's all about money. I don't want to sound hostile in any way to you or Bethesda, but no company as big as Bethesda is so noble that that won't pick money over its customers so long as there are is no damage done in the eyes of the company.

I know, so let me be clear. I am NOT upset about microsoft doling out the chedder and getting timed exclusiveness. My problem is that we aren't treated equally, and the fact that they took that large sum of money over a good chunk of their fanbase just makes their image look worse for the ps3. You get what I mean? Almost like you're favorite underground band selling out, only with bethesda, they claim we're (the fans) number one but are absolutely fine with throwing a portion of us under the bus for a quick buck.

Sorry for the double post, my editor won't work. I know it's all about money. So why cant they show some ps3 love by independantly selling something only available for the ps3?

I'd imagine it could go something like this.

BETH: Jee, we really dropped the ball on our ps3 fans. As much as we love them, money is a bit better. If only there was a way to MAKE money and APOLOGIZE to them at the same time hmmm....IDEA. Lets talk to sony and ask if we can offer something exclusive for the ps3 instead of the xbox for once. We'd be apologizing, they'd have their exclusiveness, sony has there money, it all works out.


So basically, what's stopping them from doing this? Do both sony and bethesda HATE money?

TL;DR:

OP is mad that the PS3 version of oblivion didn't have stuff the xbox did, he is mad that skyrim had lag spikes on PS3 version. He wants bethesda to treat PS3 players better

That's my point. And yes Poohunter, absolutely correct.

they will not make as much money if they do not sell to everyone. maybe you should complan to sony for not buying exclusive DLC (although you ps3 users get all sorts of games that we 360 players do not if it makes you feel better, i miss kingdom hearts and shadow of the colossus.)

Ok, So now, I'm gonna try re-wording this again. It doesn't cost much to do something like battlehorn castle. Which was ONLY for the 360. People STILL bought it. So why not do something similar for the ps3, just so they can show they actually are paying attention. That plug in probably didn't make them much money, but nothing stopped them from doing it, right? Why not for ps3? Why do WE keep giving our money to a company that treats us like dirt?

An altogether simpler solution and more reasonable expectation is to expect them to offer The Fighter's Stronghold for PS3 players. Unfortunately, the reason that didn't happen was because Bethesda dropped all support for Oblivion because of their (then upcoming) Fallout 3, and released The Fighter's Stronghold for 360 much later than other DLC (even Shivering Isles). One thing you also have to take into account is that for Oblivion, the PS3 version did not exist upon release where your choices were Xbox or PC. Later on, it was made for PS3 and you got KotN (which was at the time, exclusive content we were all jealous of).

Wait, KOTN was ps3 exclusive? Amd yes, all I'm saying is something tiny, similar to the stronghold, be offered to the ps3 crowd. Just so they show they are listening. I just want to be treated better, that's basically the core of my topic here.

Ah, upon further research, you got the short end of the stick at the last moment. There was massive outrage during when it was announced, though (when it remained still planned as an exclusive). I remember that much.

From wikipedia (the most reliable source known to mankind )

Ah, makes sense. But that's the stuff I'm talking about. If you stop and think about it, it really is like they hate the ps3. I'm not a really devoted really devoted fan, by any means at all. I have no problem with what systems people have, and I have no problem with microsoft being the exclusive rights holder atm. But what I AM, however, is someone who does NOT like to be walked all over and placed on the back burner if MY dollar is furthuring YOUR career. And I think beth KNOWS ps3 fans will pony up and shell out the cash for anything they make on the ps3. I wonder how bad it'd hurt them if every ps3 fan just up and stopped buying there stuff..

They do seem to care about PS3 last, absolutely and undeniably so in most people's eyes, I think. However, concerning the DLC, I had to deal with exclusive DLC coming out on Xbox before PC many times before with Bethesda. Usually, by the time it reaches you, it'll be patched (slightly), and the wait won't even have mattered. It does svck, getting things late, but at least you're (we're) actually getting them at all. I don't know if the DLC is going to be Xbox exclusive and then release on PC and PS3, or if it's going to release on PC and Xbox first and then PS3, but whatever the case may be, eventually everyone will get it and enjoy it. It's a single player game, so it isn't nearly as detrimental as, say, a heavily competitive game that you get an expansion for a month late. That would svck.

I feel your pain, though. My ex-roomate had a PS3 with which he'd play Skyrim and New Vegas, and the amount of bugs, poor quality of the port, etc, really were quite appalling - especially since the PS3's processor is so ripe for optimization, and since it has dedicated RAM and VRAM. The only advice I can give you is to eventually save up and shell out cash for a custom built PC eventually in the future (however far away that might be). That way, worst-case scenario, you're not at the mercy of Bethesda alone when it comes to an inadequate game.

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Oh, and Bethesda does need to pay more attention to you guys. : )

The PS3 did not even exist back when Oblivion was first released, so no when it eventually made it onto the PS3 it did not get all the extra's the game got when it first came out. Not being online at that time I never got them anyway even though I started with the Xbox 360 version of the game. I brought all three versions eventually, I was happy with all three versions. I got all the expansions and the original game for the PS3 at a bargain price, if I had been interested in extra content obviously I would not have bothered waiting for the PS3 version to eventually be released.

The day bethesda pays attention to ps3 players is the day when Ulfric ask out Elsif on date and she says yes.

I could totally run skyrim on this rig, actually, its a beast. I plan on buying skyrim (AGAIN just to reiterate my original point) soon lol. But yeah, I'm glad you see where I'm coming from. It's a shame too, because its so obvious..I'm all for business. I want everyone on this thread to understand that I'm not pissed 360 gets it first. I'm pissed because after all the stupid sh!t beth has gotten away with on the ps3, its just a [censored] move to sit there and sign exclusiveness. Like salt in the wound. If they showed more respect to the ps3 crowd, sure whatever, but yeah. Thanks for not being a jerk dude. It's refreshing lol, I appreciate it. Any other opinons before the inevitable lock?

And you guys are right. It just really pisses me off that they can get away with half assing our games..