[P PoLlo]

Teenage soap stuff? Please, you do realize werewolves, vampires and undead have been in the ES universe before that crap of Dragonborn or any of the stupid Thalmor ever showed up, right? You DO realize that we had these things since the first damn Elder Scrolls game? I think people should stop being blind and face the fact that just because media polluted glorious dark and gritty folklore into a teenage love affair, doesn't mean Bethesda cannot abide by the rules and go back from the start.

They can still cash in on fads. It doesn't matter if they exist in the lore or not, werewolves, vampires, and zombies are the current big fad in pop culture, and Bethesda is cashing in. Saying that these things are in the lore is just an excuse.

Note that I am not saying they don't have a right to do this, cashing in on the werewolf/vampire fad is just one of the reasons Dawnguard was released when it was; one of many. And frankly, it's not a reason I hold against them. If anything, it means Bethesda is doing research on their consumer base and targeting their content themes towards what they believe will make the most money. This money, in turn, is what pays for the next Elder Scrolls game. Or perhaps an actual QA department; one can dream.

[Ladymorphine]

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Teenage soap stuff? Please, you do realize werewolves, vampires and undead have been in the ES universe before that crap of Dragonborn or any of the stupid Thalmor ever showed up, right? You DO realize that we had these things since the first damn Elder Scrolls game? I think people should stop being blind and face the fact that just because media polluted glorious dark and gritty folklore into a teenage love affair, doesn't mean Bethesda cannot abide by the rules and go back from the start.

Did you see any werewolves or vampires fighting for a human girl in Dawnguard? No.

Did you see a clan of vampires who love to feed on animals only? No. Go to the Volkihar dining table and see for yourself.

Did see a loving family of romantic vampires being friendly to mortals? No.

I guess these days, people like you are so blinded by your own arrogance, that you fail to see that Elder Scrolls was first made up of lore such as Jagar Tharn, a Lich. Mannimarco, a Lich. Werewolves and vampires. They have been there way before your little precious dragonborn even reared his ugly head into the series.

That is all.

I am as well getting tired of people comparing it to Twilight, I wish there was a working http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQhq934BSMdMKaM_U5VP-zm_mZAqeRaW82ov2HEKzV7tYtHagqxsg&t=1 to wipe the memory of that movie from everyone on the planet. As you said vampires,werewolves,zombies have been in the lore long before Twilight and they have been in RL lore much,much,much longer but in the life span of the Twilight saga it's been sullied and marked as a " fad " where as before werewolves,vampires,zombies where the stuff that nightmares where made of, the myth of each was enough to keep people indoors after dark AND the explanation for mysterious diseases, disappearings etc...etc... Beth needs to try and make it as gritty,bloody and dark as they can to counter this Twilight feeling people seem to have towards DG.

[BRAD MONTGOMERY]

Werewolves, then Vampires DLC, next Zombies DLC, yawn.
I love Sykrim, but I am 0% interested in more of such teenage soap stuff.

Teenage soap stuff? Please, you do realize werewolves, vampires and undead have been in the ES universe before that crap of Dragonborn or any of the stupid Thalmor ever showed up, right?
I guess these days, people like you are so blinded by your own arrogance.

You really think that gamesas does not try to cash in Werevolves, Vampires and Zombies DLC just now because of the current teenage soap popularity? Is such an assumption really "arrogant"? Sorry, but as a mature gamer I expect new stuff and inventions from a TES game, not just more of the oldest stuff to cash in according to fashion. I am really tired of just more "old stuff to kill", I would like some more "new stuff to think about", like politics, diplomacy and relations.

[Kaley X]

I think it will revolve around Orsinium and the Orcs. You can read in some of the loading screens that the New Orsinium is now conveniently somewhere between Skyrim and Hammerfell. I really doubt that Beth will make another DLC revolving around zombies or werewolves or the like. That would be too similar to Dawnguard in a sense. I think Orsinium would be a perfect contrast where we are presented with a potentially huge landmass that is home to the Orcs, and where we can experience some new culture and history (the orcs build their fortresses out of iron and they raise massive, shaggy centipedes as livestock, which sounds pretty cool ) and a questline that is hopefully full of politics and social conflict, but could also be related to the Daedric prince Malacath, whom the Orcs worship. It would be a nice contrast IMO.

[Music Show]

I think it will revolve around Orsinium and the Orcs. You can read in some of the loading screens that the New Orsinium is now conveniently somewhere between Skyrim and Hammerfell. I really doubt that Beth will make another DLC revolving around zombies or werewolves or the like. That would be too similar to Dawnguard in a sense. I think Orsinium would be a perfect contrast where we are presented with a potentially huge landmass that is home to the Orcs, and where we can experience some new culture and history (the orcs build their fortresses out of iron and they raise massive, shaggy centipedes as livestock, which sounds pretty cool ) and a questline that is hopefully full of politics and social conflict, but could also be related to the Daedric prince Malacath, whom the Orcs worship. It would be a nice contrast IMO.

Somebody made a thread specifically about Orsinium, Orcs, Malacath and his ashpit. Let me see if I can find it.

[HARDHEAD]

I really, really, really, really hope that it's not zombie related (hell, even undead related) in any way. I spend the majority of my time in Skyrim knee-deep in undead draugr in some god-forsaken tomb in the middle of nowhere, I don't want an entire DLC wa- Then again, it gets rid of the Xbox exclusivity from Micro$oft, I wont have to wait 30 days for a decent DLC... that's bearable actually.

If Mannimarco returns, I hope looks like how he did in http://images.uesp.net/5/59/DF-King_of_Worms.png, because he was a weenie in http://www.imperial-library.info/sites/default/files/gttpo_mannimarco_02.jpg.

He became a god, and left a mortal husk-of-former-self on Nirn, you killed the husky, so now you've just got the God of Worms giving Arkay the finger every once in a black moon.

[Joanne Crump]

If Mannimarco returns, I hope looks like how he did in http://images.uesp.net/5/59/DF-King_of_Worms.png, because he was a weenie in http://www.imperial-library.info/sites/default/files/gttpo_mannimarco_02.jpg.

http://gamall-ida.com/f/files/realmannimarco_190.jpg

If Mannimarco returns, he'll be undead since he had been dead for over 200 years..

I am not sure I believe in the Ops theory. It's very interesting, very well detailed but it feels like it require happening at a certain time of year and I couldn't imagine an Elder Scrolls game doing that. What if you're on the complete other side of the year? Are you just gonna wait over and over in 24 hour blocks?

But then, I'm not a game designer and this is a world with magic. Some magical do dad could solve that problem I guess.

I already explained this. The Necromancers will have the Lich, whoever it would be, come/return in the Hearthfire month.. But the actually DLC itself wont take place til later.. Like how the whole Civil War thing. We never get to see the beginning of that happen in-game, right? Same with this. We will never see/experience the whole ritual and such.. But we will see what this Lich will do, and such.

[trisha punch]

if what you say is true that mean the DLC will be like Dawnguard, and i really hope was similar to IS, i will be really disapoint if is like the preview one since svcks and wasnt like they promise, didnt feel like a exp, just a over charge DLC

[Jinx Sykes]

I hope it isn't focused on Mages. Warrior/ thief chars might suffer for it. It has to be a DLC that fits for all.

[Céline Rémy]

id love that if there were zombies... there would be ALOT of them walking around being dead and are just fun to kill as you adventure around... and since hearthfire rumers seem so dark.. think its in any relations to the bug in a jar conspiracy thhing that formes a pentagram on the map and "marks the end of the world"???? if you dont know about this check it out

[Samantha Mitchell]

I haven't seen any connection between the http://www.reddit.com/r/skyrim/comments/nklj2/you_know_those_runes_on_the_lids_of_the_bug_jars/?sort=top and Hearthfire...

If it truly is a zombie thing then a good number of people will be severely disappointed. I'd be willing to bet that it'd flood with negative threads about it being zombies.

[casey macmillan]

I liek the idea of Zombies cause I love Liches.. We really need some Liches in Skyrim.. Dragon Priests are okay but they ain't as good as Liches.

[Danny Blight]

I haven't seen any connection between the http://www.reddit.com/r/skyrim/comments/nklj2/you_know_those_runes_on_the_lids_of_the_bug_jars/?sort=top and Hearthfire...

If it truly is a zombie thing then a good number of people will be severely disappointed. I'd be willing to bet that it'd flood with negative threads about it being zombies.

i feel it took alot of time to come up with that conspiracy... p.s. we never went to the moon

[Kortniie Dumont]

And if it's not magic related at all, any thing that involves more kill cams please! Still can't stop giggling when i stab some one in the face or suplex them so hard their head explodes

Could you imagine how epic it would be if you had your bow drawn and someone gets too close; so instead of releasing the arrow you poke it through their face legolas style

[Taylrea Teodor]

i feel it took alot of time to come up with that conspiracy... p.s. we never went to the moon

It's not a conspiracy, it's fact. There will be soooOOOOOoooo much complaining that you'll have to take a break from the forums for a solid week, just to wait out the complainers.

[Lucky Girl]

I'm not interested in undead. I don't care about them at all. I never play necromances. Can I please have one DLC about something else? No vampires, zombies and draugrs, just regular living people/gods? Tribunal vol. 2 - pretty please!

[Gavin Roberts]

If Mannimarco returns, he'll be undead since he had been dead for over 200 years..

Ehm, no.

Manimmarco was already kind of undead in Oblivion since he lived in the the 2nd Era already, also he have died several times.
Also elves get much older then humans in TES, if a elf lived in the times of Oblivion, he still can be alive in the times of Skyrim.

[Jeff Turner]

I guess it could be involving some magic stuff, adding depth to that since a lot of people are of the oppinion that magic got shafted in skyrim big time. But please for the love of sanity, no more zombies... Every friggin game involves zombies.. Enough. They aren't fun, they aren't interesting and i have no desire at all to see more than there already are in Skyrim. Now what's that i read about political intrigue? That would be just perfect imo.

Mannimarco was studying at Psijics' on Artaeum together with Galerion, the founder of mages guild roughly around 2E 230. He became the first lich and since then, he's technically been.. dead, or undead. And in the time of oblivion crysis, he was about 1130 years old (but dead nonetheless)

[james reed]

Eh. Mannimarco still would need a new look since he didn't even look like a Unique Lich in Oblivion!

[!beef]

I really, really, really, really hope that it's not zombie related (hell, even undead related) in any way. I spend the majority of my time in Skyrim knee-deep in undead draugr in some god-forsaken tomb in the middle of nowhere, I don't want an entire DLC wa- Then again, it gets rid of the Xbox exclusivity from Micro$oft, I wont have to wait 30 days for a decent DLC... that's bearable actually.

I'm pretty sure Hearthfire isn't zombie related. It's just people overreacting.

[Trevor Bostwick]

About the whole complaining thing about the DLC being zombie/undead related..

The whole DLC itself will NOT fully be Zombie/Undead related.. Just like how the whole Dawnguard DLC wasn't fully Vampire-Related... Keep that in mind, please.

Also, I can understand the hatred toward Zombies but I believe that we need some sort of DLC for Liches. From what I've remembered, the only Lich-Related questline we had was Oblivion's Mages Guild... And that barely counts since the boss was an Altmer, not an actual Lich... So, I personally, would like a DLC about the return of a powerful Lich and show us how deadly one Lich can be.... Heck, reading lore about Tamriel really made me want this because there was a powerful Lich that actually took control parts of Cyrodiil, Valenwood, and Elswyr.. If I'm not mistaken... That would be one heck of a battle to be in but sadly, it was in lore.. Not a game.

Also, I believe Hearthfire is a small DLC and will NOT be a big Daedric-Prince based DLC like Oblivion's SI.. I actually doubt we will have a Daedra-Base DLC since it had been done before already.. But I am still hoping some sort of DLC that adds Daedra-Related things, such as enemies and summons.

[Darren Chandler]

I agree about skyrim needing more liches. All these rogue mages and your telling me none of them tried to achieve lichdom?

[barbara belmonte]

I agree about skyrim needing more liches. All these rogue mages and your telling me none of them tried to achieve lichdom?

Yeh and like I said in OP.. Liches = Magic.. So a DLC about a Lich, or Liches, can actually bring a lot of magic-related stuff.. Heck, maybe even spellmaking? (Spellmaking would've to be re-mastered and totally different but still be possible to add)

[Robert Jr]

I agree about skyrim needing more liches. All these rogue mages and your telling me none of them tried to achieve lichdom?

Maybe lichdom isn't as cool as it used to be, why would you do that when you could simply become a vampire. I think anything is possible at this point for Hearthfire, and everything is speculation at best. If it is based on magic, I hope they do a serious magic overhaul because the magic in Skyrim is not that great.

[Britney Lopez]

I hope it isn't focused on Mages. Warrior/ thief chars might suffer for it. It has to be a DLC that fits for all.

this. DLCs for this game should be able to fit all 3 of the "classes" (mage, Warrior, Thief.)