Help! Any city changing mods cause instant CTD. : V

» Sun Jul 08, 2012 6:12 am

Hi Everyone,

Thanks for reading this. I'm getting instant CTDs whenever I try to run any mods that modify the cities in the game. I've tried Beautiful Riften, Cities under Construction Whiterun and Beautiful Whiterun (not at the same time). I'm using BOSS and have a bashed patch for levelled lists.

Without these mods everything is running ok. The second I try to add one though I get a CTD on either creating a new game or loading up a save (not from inside a city).

Anyone have any idea why this is happening?

Here is my load order (without the city mods)

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00  Skyrim.esm01  Update.esm02  CLARALUX - More and Brighter Lights.esm03  Omegared99-Compilation.esm04  WARZONES - Civil Unrest.esm05  BlackTowerArmory.esm06  JSwords.esm07  moonpath.esm08  WinterholdDestruction.esm09  ApachiiHair.esm0A  DaedricShieldHiResFix.esp0B  Magnus20.esp0C  Shadow Striping Fix.esp0D  Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp  [Version 1.0]0E  HighResTexturePackFix.esp0F  Realistic Lighting.esp10  Warmer Magic Lights v2 - Big.esp11  Weapons and Armor fixes.esp12  Weapons and Armor fixes - Hacks.esp13  StaticMeshImprovementMod.esp14  Chesko_WearableLantern.esp15  Convenient Horses.esp16  GS.esp17  Dr_Bandolier.esp18  SabreFurBag.esp19  ScenicCarriages.esp1A  Auto Unequip Arrows.esp1B  DYNAVISION Dynamic Depth of Field.esp1C  IMAGINATOR - Visual Control for Skyrim.esp1D  BlackSacramentArmor.esp1E  BlackSacramentDBreplacer.esp1F  Bucklers Only.esp20  Cloaks.esp21  Dragonbone Weapons.esp22  DragonBoneWeaponsComplete.esp23  DwarvenMech.esp24  Dwemer Scouter.esp25  DwemerAutoBlade.esp26  DwemerRifle.esp27  hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp28  JSwordsDistributionBalancePlugin.esp29  Omegared99-WeaponSets.esp2A  Omegared99-Compilation-NPC Plugin.esp2B  RobedSteelPlateArmor.esp2C  TrissArmorRetextured.esp2D  Smithing Perks Overhaul - Balanced.esp2E  Complete Crafting Overhaul.esp2F  BlackTowerUpdate.esp30  BuildableHouse.esp31  ExpandedWinterholdRuins.esp32  moonpath_questdata.esp33  The Asteria - Dwemer Airship.esp34  Acquisitive Soul Gems.esp35  armored-horses.esp36  AT - Faster Arrows Improved +50%.esp37  AT - Recover +25% Arrows.esp38  AT - Progressive Damage (BS and CCO).esp39  Better Dynamic Snow.esp3A  Killable Children.esp3B  Killable Children - Quest Important Protected.esp3C  MageFriendlyDiademOfTheSavant.esp3D  MageFriendlyDragonPriestMasks.esp3E  SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators.esp3F  dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Medium.esp40  MidasSkyrim.esp41  dovahkiinrelax.esp42  DeadlySpellImpacts.esp43  DeadlySpellImpacts - Two Fire.esp44  SustainedSpells.esp45  The Dance of Death.esp46  Balanced_Alteraton.esp47  Balanced_Conjuration.esp48  Balanced_Destruction.esp49  Balanced_Illusion.esp4A  Balanced_Restoration.esp4B  Balanced_Magic_Adept.esp4C  TemptressVixen.esp4D  UFO - Ultimate Follower Overhaul.esp4E  SMSkyrim.esp4F  Follower Trap Safety.esp50  portal2mod.esp51  WATER.esp52  WATER - Get Wet.esp53  smakit_house_markers_plus.esp54  ExpandedWinterholdRuinsixterior.esp55  Unique BOOZE Bottles.esp56  Dwarven Condenser.esp57  Luggage.esp58  DwemerBombs.esp59  Schwertleite Set.esp5A  Bashed Patch, 0.esp

Thanks for any help!

EDIT: Open Cities causes a CTD just like the others.

» Sun Jul 08, 2012 11:44 am

To test properly you have to fully uninstall a mod (all files) AND go back to a save before a problem mod was introduced.

I'm curious if for you WATER and Claralux - if those are removed are you able to avoid ctds.

» Sun Jul 08, 2012 8:35 am

I'm experiencing this problem with Open Cities as well. I'll try disabling WATER and Claralux, see if that helps.

» Sun Jul 08, 2012 7:00 pm

I'm getting near constant ctds near OC riften and I did have WATER and Claralux installed - so that is the overlap.

Not saying it will be it.

If it comes down to it though I'm not certain which I'm going to sacrifice on the alter of living without.

» Sun Jul 08, 2012 7:56 am

I'm getting near constant ctds near OC riften and I did have WATER and Claralux installed - so that is the overlap.

Not saying it will be it.

If it comes down to it though I'm not certain which I'm going to sacrifice on the alter of living without.

I am running both Water and Claralux without CTD's. Actually 5 minutes ago I was doing some quests around Riften and had no issues.

» Sun Jul 08, 2012 2:42 am

Uninstalling both WATER and Claralux did not alleviate the issue for me. My mod list for comparison purposes
Active Mod Files:

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00  Skyrim.esm01  Update.esm02  Imp's More Complex Needs.esm  [Version 0.24]03  Real Wildlife - IMCN.esm04  SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators.esm05  SkyMoMod.esm06  JSwords.esm07  Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp  [Version 1.05b]08  Chesko_Frostfall.esp09  Improved Combat Sounds v2.1.esp0A  SoS - The Dungeons.esp  [Version 1.2]0B  SoS - The Wilds.esp  [Version 1.1]0C  Realistic Lighting.esp0D  Realistic Lighting Patcher.esp0E  StaticMeshImprovementMod.esp0F  Economics of Skyrim.esp10  BabettesFeast - IMCN.esp11  Chesko_WearableLantern.esp12  CookingExpanded.esp++  CookingExpanded - EoS.esp13  CookingExpanded - IMCN.esp14  DFB - Random Encounters.esp15  dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp16  Dr_Bandolier.esp17  Ish's Souls to Perks.esp18  Morrowloot.esp19  SkyRe_Plugin_Morrowloot.esp1A  Realistic Wildlife Loot - IMCN Reduced.esp1B  Real Wildlife Skyrim 0.1 IMCN.esp++  SkyMoMod_lists.esp1C  StarX Frost Giants.esp1D  Matys Mithril armor Enhanced.esp1E  Cloaks.esp1F  1nivWICCloaks.esp  [Version 2.0]20  1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch.esp  [Version 0.9]21  Earrings Set1.esp22  TH3WICK3D1-HawkeMageArmor.esp23  BandolierForNPCMasterFile.esp  [Version 3.0]24  BandolierForNPCsWIC_V2.esp++  BandolierForNPCsCheaperBandoliers.esp25  DeadlyDragons.esp26  Gildergreen Regrown.esp  [Version 1.2.1]27  Radiance.esp28  SkyrimSewers.esp  [Version 3.10]29  The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp  [Version 1.1]++  Proper Aiming.esp2A  Better Dynamic Snow.esp2B  Disable Fast Travel Permanently - Carriages cost 10x more.esp2C  SkyRe_Main.esp2D  SkyRe_EncounterZones.esp2E  SkyRe_EnemyScaling.esp2F  SkyRe_Plugin_DragonBoneWeaponsComplete_1.03.esp30  SkyRe_Plugin_JaySuSSwords_1.3D.esp31  Chesko_Step418.esp32  Open Cities Skyrim.esp  [Version 0.6]33  dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp34  IMCN - Overrides.esp35  Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp36  ColettesRevenge.esp37  ACE Magic.esp38  Radiant and Unique Potions and Poisons.esp39  ACE Realistic Fighting.esp3A  The Dance of Death.esp++  DisableAutoAim.esp3B  More Dynamic Injuries.esp3C  ACE Synergy.esp3D  Improved Eyes Skyrim.esp3E  Reduced Distance NPC Greetings.esp3F  Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp  [Version 2.0]++  Skyrim 30 DeadBody Remover.esp++  Skyrim 1 Day DeadBody Timer.esp++  Skyrim 1 Day Respawn.esp40  Bashed Patch, 0.esp41  ASIS-Dependency.esp42  ASIS.esp43  Automatic Variants.esp

» Sun Jul 08, 2012 6:28 am

How about reinstalling them? Something missing is probably more likely to cause a ctd than something that's changed... (in my opinion/experience)
Also, i'm not sure why I read load orders.... I'm always hoping to see something like "ctdwhenyouloadlol.esp"

» Sun Jul 08, 2012 2:46 am

I've been installing/uninstalling using NMM. I tried uninstalling Claralux and WATER and had no change. I read that mods that introduce map markers may cause crashes so i uninstalled those too but no luck.

It may be worth noting that I'm modding a fresh install of Skyrim and have been trying new games and test saves that have just left Helgen.

» Sun Jul 08, 2012 4:43 am

51 WATER.esp
52 WATER - Get Wet.esp
53 smakit_house_markers_plus.esp

In your case, I see 3 possibilities:

1. The map markers mod is old and needs to be updated.
2. WATER should load after it.
3. The map markers mod is simply incompatible with city mods.

40 Bashed Patch, 0.esp
41 ASIS-Dependency.esp
42 ASIS.esp
43 Automatic Variants.esp

Have you made sure these files are rebuilt when you add and remove mods? That's a critical step a lot of people forget about.

» Sun Jul 08, 2012 4:09 am

I managed to get the game to let me create a new character with Open Cities installed.

The first thing I did was uninstall the map markers. This alone didn't solve the problem, but upon deactivating and reactivating a couple mods at a time it seems that Expanded Wintherhold Ruins must have been causing my problems.

EDIT: Realized I also still had Claralux and WATER uninstalled. Attempting to bring these back in didn't cause a CTD, but I would have on a black screen when trying to start a new game.

» Sun Jul 08, 2012 5:20 am

Expanded Wintherhold Ruins has an outdated setup that uses an esm+esp to get around the old navmesh bug. As a result, it is no longer compatible with Patch 1.6 and needs to be updated. IT will continue to cause similar CTD problems with any mod in the future that also edits navmeshes until it gets updated.

The ESM thing isn't at all necessary for this mod at the size it occupies and the location it edits.

» Sun Jul 08, 2012 12:52 pm

I run water with get wet and claralux and no problems. Sadly, I don't use any of he city mods you mentioned alongside them