Hello everybody !

I read yesterday about the Tribunal , I couldn't understand what it was but I think I got it.

Vivec and his friends searched for Divinity right ?
When they found it in the red mountain Azura cursed them right ?

So does that mean that three of them were actually gods ??
I know they lost it after a while..

An explanation would be good !

The tribune were and were not gods. They had the powers of one, only when fully recharged by the Heart of Lorkan. However, that power would wane over time and required them to recharge it by the heart again. However, when the heart was destroyed the survivors lost all traces of godhood.

Its sorta a borrowed godhood, never a true ascension into aetherius.

The Heart of Lorkan, was just that the heart of the Aedra Lorkan after it was ripped from his chest and thrown to Nirn, giving rise to the Red Mountain.

In the end, without that power the Tribunal was just as mortal as anyone.

The dunmer (formerly known as chimer) split away from the altmer (the elves complaining about Talos) because of religious differences. The Altmer worshiped the 8 Divines, Auri-el etc., and the Chimer worshipped Daedra. So the chimer left for Morrowind, met the Dwemer who worshipped reason and logic and were making a mortal-made god, Akulakhan (spelling?) using the Heart of Lorkhan. The chimer and dwemer went to war, then the dwemer mysteriously disappeared. The Tribunal found the tools of Kagrenac, and used them to turn themselves into living gods.

After the events of Morrowind/Tribunal, the living gods, separated from their power, disappeared (Alma and Sotha Sil dead). But then again, they weren't worshipped by Altmer in the first place, just by the chimer who followed them. And even then, they didn't achieve the same kind of godhood Talos did, they just had access to godlike powers.

Another thing to note is that the Altmer do not like the Dunmer, as they believe them to be impure/tainted or something to that effect. I can't remember the exact way its put.

Thalmor/Aldmeri Dominion have nothing to do with the Dunmer.

The "Elves" did not have Tribunal. Dunmer had.

The Triune were proper gods, with all that entails.
Aetherius has nothing whatsoever to do with anything.
After their ascension they re-wrote time so that they always had been the gods of the Dunmer.

Vivec was the anticipation of Mephala, Almalexia the anticipation of Boethiah and Sotha Sil the anticipation of Azura.

Without the renewal of the Heart, their powers waned. In the case of Almalexia, this led to insanity.
However, they did not become mortal again, as suggested by another poster.
On loss of their mortal coil bodies they simply were in the god-place forever, unable to return.

After the events of Morrowind, Vivec was the only one left.
At that point Vivec did not need the Heart anymore, as he had achieved CHIM, a higher state of being.
Vivec dissapeared during the Oblivion crisis and is prophesised to return one day.

Wow that's interesting.


Maybe TES 6 in the Summerset Isles , I can only hope

Hold on, they actually re-wrote time? I thought Vivec just used his poetic skills to pretend all the dumb stuff he did was intentional for all the good things to happen (like persecuting the Nerevarine), and that he was only embellishing his past with clever words.

Well, Nerevar, Vivic, Amalaxia (Nerevar's wife), Sotha Sil, and Dagoth Ur discovered the Heart of Lorkhan, which had been used by the Dwemer to be part of the Numidium (thier attempt at making a God). The Chimer (later became Dunmer) went to war with the Dwemer over the Numidium, and the war ended with the disappearnce of the Dwemer. This left Nerevar, Dagoth Ur, Amalaxia, Vivic, and Sotha Sil with the question of what to d with the Heart of Lorkhan. I forget the specifics about Dagoth Ur, but he ended up dead (supposedly), and Nerevar died shortly thereafter (possibly killed by Amalaxia). Vivic, Amalaxia, and Sotha Sil then studied how the Heart of Lorkhan was supposed to work, and after a few years went back and used it to become Gods. Dagoth Ur had also used the Heart of Lorkhan and had been kept alive, albiet without a body. The use of the Heart of Lorkhan angered Azura, and she cursed the Chimer causing their skin to turn black and their eyes to turn red (usually, this apparently was changed with Skyrim allowing you to choose different eye colors) and starting the prophecy of the Neravarine.

Over time the power that the Heart gave them would wane, mostly because it appears the the Heart was an inherently "evil" object, and it's powers were supposed to be used for evil which was something the Tribunal were not doing. Eventually, Vivic, Sotha Sil, and Amalaxia went to renew their power, but were met by Dagoth Ur who ended up driving them off. The Tribunal then created the Ghostfence to keep Dagoth Ur and his blighted creatures inside of Red Mountain, which didn't work (damn cliff racers!) as well as connections to other dwemer ruins outside of the Ghostfence. Sotha Sil and Amalaxia both gave up maintaining the Ghostfence, making Vivic handle of the work...

Uriel VII sends a prisoner to Vvardenfell, who becomes the Nerevarine, destroys the Heart of Lorkhan and leads to the downfall of all but Vivic. Vivic later dies later during the eruption of Red Mountain.

An abridged version of Morrowind and the Dunmer Tribunal.


They didn't re-write time as much as they re-wrote history. They also were not true gods, as they could not reverse what Azura did to them, they were pretty much very powerful and immortal (for a time) mages.

The persecution of the Nerevarine was caused by Vivic becoming weak because he had to maintain the Ghostfence. This allowed the Ordinators to become even more fanatical and brutal in dealing with anyone who had started to lose faith in the Tribunal, worshiped the Nine Divines (until Morrowind became part of the Septim Empire), and those who believed in the Nerevarine.

Vivic is stuff a chill dude that I bet Bethesda just knew we would love him, and kept him in an undetermined absence instead of just killing him off. I do wish Morrowind let us hang out with the guy more.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Anticipations
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Vivec_and_Mephala
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Nerevar_at_Red_Mountain
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Kagrenac%27s_Tools

If you want more info

That was the dunmer they are completely different then the altmer, don't group all elves together because the Dunmer weren't the ones pushing for the ban of talos worship, they didn't care about talos.

So I got a question. After the prisoner becomes the nerevarine, does that make he/She immortal?

Right first of all, it isn't the Dunmer who whine about Talos, it is the Altmer. And whether the Tribunal were true gods is debatable, while they did have certain godly powers, does just having godly powers automaticly make you a god?

The Nerevarine achieves biological immortality, but because of contracting Corprus, not because (s)he is the Nerevarine (the original incarnation of Nerevar was mortal, after all). This means he cannot die of age or sickness, but can still be killed. Neither blight nor age can harm him/The Curse-of-Flesh before him flies.

It's alot more deeper than that - he fully well admits his mortal self killed Nerevar. But his God self did not. I recommend reading the 'Metaphysics of Morrowind Part 3" - it fully explains the Meta-Character of Vehk and his vocabulary.

“You alone, though you come again and again, can unmake him [Dagoth Ur -K]. Whether I allow it is within my wisdom. Go unarmed into his den with these words of power: AE GHARTOK PADHOME [CHIM] AE ALTADOON. Or do not. The temporal myth is man. Reach heaven by violence. This magic I give to you: the world you will rule is only an intermittent hope and you must be the letter written in uncertainty.”- 36 Lessons, Sermon 15 (Metaphysics of Morrowind Part 3)

So to reach Heaven, We must do so by violence.

I would just like to point out that in-game books are notoriously inaccurate.

Thank you. That clears something up for me and helps me out with my little project

Didn't keep me out of jail though. At the beginning of the Oblivion crisis there I was back in prison. Must of had a good time the night before cause I don't remember a minute of it.

Actually, this may be the one thing that bothered me most about Morrowind. Azura's confirmation that I'm the Nerevarine or not, I couldn't get over the feeling that I, an elf player was only a tool of the empire used to destroy a part of my Mer culture. I could not reconcile how I was to lead my people to glory while handing them over to the Empire. While playing an Altmer character this feeling was lessened somewhat by my disgust of the Dunmer, it made it next to impossible for me to play as a Dunmer. I kept wanting to rip the heart out of every imperial I met. My Bosmer character though was rather ambivalent about the whole thing as he like most Bosmer was just out for anything he could pinch.