Exactly. However, the Universe had to have come from something. And that something had to come from something else. Somethings just don't appear out of nowhere. However, since there's always been somethings then there's never been nothing. But if there's never been nothing, why is the Universe even here? It just can't be, it had to come from something.

Yes, this is sounding a bit odd, but bare with me here. If there was nothing to create the Universe, or any other Universes since there had to be something to begin with and that had to come from something, then we don't exactly exist.




Actually, you can. Thing is, you don't know if something goes on forever. You won't ever know. By definition, it has no end. Therefore, you can't know if it has an end or not. It may have an end, it might just take a very long time to hit that point.


Well, that was interesting to type up to say the least

No.

By definition, for something to be infinite it has to go on http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_D_Z-D2tzi14/TBptrVKv1tI/AAAAAAAADHE/F2LJp4-_Mpk/s1600/responsibility16.png.

I meant you can't argue with proofs in general as they're pure logic and without bias.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7e0777z7AY

Exactly. However, the Universe had to have come from something. And that something had to come from something else. Somethings just don't appear out of nowhere. However, since there's always been somethings then there's never been nothing. But if there's never been nothing, why is the Universe even here? It just can't be, it had to come from something.

Yes, this is sounding a bit odd, but bare with me here. If there was nothing to create the Universe, or any other Universes since there had to be something to begin with and that had to come from something, then we don't exactly exist.

Yeah, interpretation does it every time. >.>

Just like this topic, come to think of it

if you erase the possibility of a deity, then the only logic i see is that nothing is infinite. sounds more interesting though. things just appear.

I'm interested, why must a deity exist for infinity to be possible?

This is meant to be a purely scientific thread.
Please no comments about religion, be it good or bad.

I'm not a scientist, nor anything close to it, but I was thinking about this last night. If you see any fallacies in my post, please point it out.

I need help figuring this out. Whats wrong in my theory? There has to be something wrong.

How can something infinite exist?

Everything finite has to come from something infinite. Yet something infinite has to exist to give existence to the finite.
It can't exist because it doesn't have a progenitor. Thats the main problem with it, for me something just can't exist without anything preceding it.

The thought of something existing without something making it exist just seems impossible to me. I know the definiton of something infinite is something that has always existed and will always exist, but how?
So we get stuck in a paradox of having to exist, but not being able to.

The only thing I'm sure exists is myself and what I perceive to be reality.

I'm only 16, I should be worrying about getting laid, not the fundimental principles of existence. Maybe someone older can help me.

Exactly. Interpretations vary. Though, I'm not sure if that response about interpretations made much sense anymore...
Oh well. >_>

i think the op didn't want religion to be a topic read what the others have said. clearly it doesn't make sense that things are infinite from a scientific/logical point of view, or at least no one has come up with a good explanation yet

You actually are argumenting like a greek philosoph.

Show me evidence of the underlined sentence.

Because something finite has a beggining and end, while something infinite doesn't. Something finite may have created something else finite, but how was that created? You have to have something that has no beggining, therefore would not have to be created.

But if it wasn't created, then it doesn't exist. It just can't be.

Stuff cannot just appear out of nothingness.

But if it wasn't created, then it doesn't exist. It just can't be.

Stuff cannot just appear out of nothingness.


Time to go brush up on theoretical physics.

what if it can :OOOOOO

But that still comes down to the first thing in existance. It would have to not have a beginning because it can't have been created, because then we have the paradox of who created the creator.

So the only conclusion is that I don't exist. But I do exist.

Think I may be close to achieving CHIM...

But that still comes down to the first thing in existance. It would have to not have a beginning because it can't have been created, because then we have the paradox of who created the creator.

And therein lies the main issue. How can it? There needs to be some sort of catalyst. Some particles to give it form. In other words: something.

Why can something not be infinite in another sense? Maybe your definition is the problem. Time is a human construct. So time had a beginning. But by our definition time would have to be infinite because the concept of no time just cannot be comprehended by us. By our definition time was around before we were. But what was the origin of time? What could possibly be before time? I don't think origin has anything to do with infinite. If something starts and never stops then it is infinite until time stops. But time doesn't stop does it? So from that point on it is infinite. If somethins a beginning but no end what is it defined as other than infinite?

honestly i don't think we'll ever find out lol
it's interesting alright but i don't care really life's too short to ponder about complicated stuff that doesn't matter
but that's just my two cents

Time is not a human construct. Our perception and measuring of it is obviously.

Time is not a human construct. Our perception and measuring of it is obviously.