The only quest to sadden me thus far is the House of Horrors, where you receive the Daedric Artefact ' The Mace of Molag Bal'.

I did not want to kill the priest, 'Logrolf', so I kept the rusty mace. My reasoning being that as long as it was in my posession, no one else could become the champion of Molag Bal and use the artefact to harm another person. They would have to go through me first.

If I could drop it, I'd cast it into the sea or lock it in the vault where the Ogma Infinium resided, happy in the knowledge that it'd be centuries until someone found it.

Unfortunately, Logrolf remains standing there to this day.

It would be great if there was some some sort of sage who could restore the mace, allowing us to one up another Daedric Lord, in addition to Azura.

This quest did not allow the freedom to roleplay my character so I have improvised the above solution.

Included a pic of my heroic visage.

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I can see why you want to do that with the mace but why do it with Azura's Star? Azura is a good Daedric Prince and I have a lot of respect for her.

It's for the sake of defying them. According to the lore, the Black Star cannot hold white souls (mechanics say otherwise).

I prefer to defy some but not all since some are good or neutral.

I want to defy all the evil ones or tick them off in some way.

Good work! It's great to see people thinking their way around these poorly written quests instead of just following the script because the compass arrow tells them to.

Well - for whatever it's worth, the Forsworn didn't imprison Logrolf for giving out too much candy to orphans. He is a bad guy who deserves to be stuck in there.

Logrolf is a Priest of Boethiah and Boethiah is more of an Evil Daedric Prince then Good so he deserve to be there.

Why would you bother? Molag Bal is offering you a awesome weapon in exchange for killing a bad man. The Priest is not a good person. He's locked up by the forsworn for a reason, and it is'nt for being too nice. He's a Priest of Boetiah. And he was doing rites against Molag Bal on his alter.
I have nothing against Boetiah, or her priests. But messing with someone elses alter is something else.
I have no problem killing him. He deserved it.

And why would you object to Azura? She's good. And the Azuras Star is awesome.

if u turn the azurastar into a black star, does that mean the azura star will never be recovered by azura forever? Does that mean she is gg-ed?
Also, That priest is a bad man. Being a priest of boethiah, u go around killing and sacrificing people. No thanks, i will rather take the mace and beat up all the priests.

Boethiah is genderless. Boethiah was a Male in Oblivion. Now a Female in Skyrim... So I count that Daedric Prince Genderless.

Well, if you want to get smart about it, none of the daedra have gender in any way that means anything; it's just a question of how they choose to appear. Some consistently appear as one or the other; some don't. There's nothing wrong with referring to Boethiah as "her", especially during a feminine manifestation. Calling them all "it" would be correct, but awkward and distracting.

I think you're all missing the point. I stopped the weapon from being restored because, by it's nature, it is meant to bring suffering to people. When you are put in a situation with a Daedric lord demanding that you kill someone, the best thing to do is walk away (insofar as it's allowed).

Regarding Azura's Star, make no mistake, the game makes it very clear that the hero should spite her.

Hey! I resent that! I got the point!

When? The only guy who says this is the guy who was helping to corrupt the star in the first place, so I don't consider him a good reference.

It does no such thing, in any way at all. It makes it clear that the leader and his group were doing things they were'nt supposed to.
The comments against her are by the mage who helped corrupt the star. A man who only stopped corrupting the star, when his master began killing mages to fuel it. He had no problem defiling a deadras artifact, but he objected to the leader killing mages to do it.
Yeah, Azura made the leader crazy by sending visions. According to the star corrupting mage who's been kicked out of the collage of winterhold.
Right. Because staring into and messing with the star of azura won't send you crazy anyway, will it. It's a sign of a good person killing your fellow mages to power your experiments.
And so what if she did, he was hurting her artifact, damn right she was going to get revenge.
A outcast mage who was corrupting the star is not a good reference, at all.

What makes you believe that it is a "good Daedric Prince", and why have you got a lot of respect for it?

It's not that crazy. Azura is way nicer than the other daedra. Critical scrutiny confirms that she isn't a perfect angel of pure goodness, but she's a hell of a lot more benevolent than the House of Troubles. She's definitely in the top 5 "least evil" of the 16 Princes. Personally, I'd say that Azura and Meridia are the top 2 "most good", and even Meridia creeps me out worse.

I'm serious. When I look at Azura, I see an extremely spiteful and hateful entity who likes to strike entire races for the presumed wrongdoings of a few individuals. I also see a manipulative, deceiving and spiteful entity who tricked the PC of Morrowind into doing what they did (set an end to the worship of the AlmSiVi and reinstate the worship of Azura as the predominant religious belief), which then led to the destruction of the entire province. When I look at Azura in Oblivion, I see an entity who thinks that the best way to deal with a group of devout worshippers (who had become tainted by vampirism) was to have them killed by a new champion.

Yes, I know that the Dunmer and Khajiit actually worship this Daedric Prince. But I'm quite sure that quite a huge part of this worship can be explained by Stockholm Syndrome rather than anything else.

I'm serious too. I think we agree that the Daedric Princes, one and all, are essentially sociopathic aliens with no regard for mortal joy or suffering except as influence their own often arbitrary ends.

Relatively speaking, though, among that lineup of cruel, bizarre godlings, Azura is one of the least blatantly "evil". Even if her subtle schemes can cause upheaval and destruction, she still acts nice, so on some level it makes sense to think that she actually cares about mortals - at least, what they think of her. This is a pretty stark contrast to all the rest.

I do have a Dunmer character who is a devout Daedra worshiper, but don't get confused into thinking he does it out of fond feelings. No Stockholm Syndrome there. Love and respect are two very different things.

Yeah, I know people keep referencing Morrowind as the reasons why Azura was "evil". Problem is I don't think it's a very good example. See the Church that Azura want's to replace is corrupt built on false gods who betrayed their lord to obtain there immortality, and are slowly losing their god hood. On of whom goes insane from the revelation, the other openly admitting he can no longer keep Dagoth Ur in check. You might be able to blame the series of natural disasters on the fact that Vivec lost his godhood, but then if you didn't destroy the source of his God hood, then Dagoth Ur's influence would eventually be left unchecked to spread across the land.

As in medicine, treatments can sometimes have unfavorable side effects, but the only alternative is not to treat the sickness, which will get worse.

Also records indicate that Malyn Varen was mad long before Azura's involvement in the affair. Those visions were a warning to get him to stop, and he kept pushing. Nelacar is just using Azura as an excuse to explain away his master's actions (I.e , the devil made me do it.) and possibly to justify his own research.

There's varying reports for why Azura had a snit fit and cursed the Chimer: some say it's simply because of the use of Kagrenac's Tools by the Tribunal, which may or may not have broken vows the Tribunal may or may not have made to Azura. Others say it's because Indoril Nerevar was an especial favorite of Azura, and his murder (either by Vivec alone or by Almsivi all conspiring together) is what set her off--there's one variation of the tale where he was murdered as he was praying to Azura for guidance, so...I could see where she might be peeved by that. Of course, no one knows which particular story is true, or if they do, they're not telling, so.

If you believe that Nerevar was murdered (as I do, but that's just IMHO), then...well, Azura doesn't exactly come out smelling like roses, what with cursing an entire race because of the actions of the Tribunal. In some versions of the story, her cursing the Chimer and prophesying that Nerevar will be reborn sounds more like a spiteful "nyah hah, you're sooooo gonna get it!" to the Tribunal than anything. That's probably where folks are getting the "evil" connotations from. (Although a lot of that comes from Vivec's personal account of the events of Red Mountain, and since he's the trickster poet of the Tribunal...I'd take all that with a hefty helping of salt.)

Also, Azura doesn't want to replace the Tribunal. She just wants some schmuck to fulfill the Nerevarine prophecies, which state only that the Nerevarine will destroy Dagoth Ur and topple the Tribunal ("his mercy frees the cursed false gods / binds the broken, redeems the mad") and basically undo what was done at the Battle of Red Mountain. Nobody said anything about filling the void left behind.

The real trouble is the Daedra aren't bound by traditional Tamriellic notions of anything. They don't have a defined gender as such (although some choose to appear as predominately male or female, at least in mortal eyes...although some settle for somewhere in between. Azura in particular is supposed to be hermaphroditic, at least in Morrowind, I thought), and they don't stick to traditional notions of "good" or "evil." Azura isn't a "good" Daedra any more than Mehrunes Dagon is an "evil" Daedra...those are just labels people in Tamriel have stuck on them.

You can place it on a weapon rack... and if you change your mind, you can leave it there and do Molag's bidding... receive the Molag Bal and keep the Rusty Mace also

If you have the weapon equipped when you pick on a weapon rack in your house it will be removed from your inventory

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I feel old. There's a lot of people who never played Morrowind... Azura is a good daedra. Not all daedra are bad.

I didnt play MW but i know that Azura is considered good. All you have to do is read in-game books