Just when I thought I was going to side with the Nords, I find out they are just acting like the Imperials. Without giving any spoilers for those who don't know, (don't read any further just in case there is a spoiler) there is a certian group who want their lands back and independce, just like the Nords do now, but fight them, just like how the Imperials fight them.

How Ironic eh? They are no better than their own enemy. So now who do decide on? Oh well, play the game some more and see if I can find some more interesting tid bits.

Oh how I wish Skyrim expansions or DLC will have the Aldimeri and Forsworn in there. Maybe even join them. So much new stories and quests can make this really enjoyable.

So please Bethesda have more Forsworn quests and Aldimeri DLC, and would be great if we can join them or defeat them if we so choose to do so.

Welcome to low fantasy, where there is no such thing as "good guys" and 'bad guys". Everyone is in shades of grey, has things that give them justification, but in the other hand have things which make them look bad. Just a heads up - the imperials aren't any better.

I'd have liked the option to dismantle both parties, along with the Thalmor. Clean slate and all.

Ehhhh...also no worse

I'd call this more hypocrisy on the Stormcloaks' part. They allow non-nords to join, but forgot to write, "I hope Ulfric doesn't use elves as tophies."

I honestly wanted to join the Thalmor. To change entire questlines based on that choice... like the Mage's College... But sadly, there is no option to join them, even for Altmer and Bosmer, who you'd think would have the opportunity. Alas, no villain route... boo.

I will agree on stormcloaks, though. They offered an invitation to my High Elf. That... That is such a huge lore violation it's not even funny. The problem here is that the game expects you to play as a Nord. >_>

yea even when you save the game at the cart In the beginning in the save file it already says nord as your race.

I lol'd at the fact that they invited my High Elf MAGE(well battlemage but a mage nonetheless) to join the stormcloaks. I thought nords hated high elves and magic.

The Thalmor seek to unmake reality. Not just turn to the next Kalpa as Alduin would... End the Kalpas altogether.

I just don't get that. Why do people want to join a faction that essentially wants to end the Elder Scrolls franchise?

i want another option where we could raise our own army and conquer it all then in expansions reconquer tamriel as a new dragonborn emperor but alas that wont happen

i kinda get the feeling the empire will be gone in the next tes game then again who knows there has always been an empire in tes.

I wouldn't expect a human like you to understand the thoughts of mer.

Also read: Exactly. Man sees that as a bad thing, and likes the whole evolution thing. Mer, on the other hand, thinks that the world is better with everyone together as one unified entity.

The problem I have is that my character, AS A MER, cannot agree with that point of view. It makes no sense that my altmer can't side with the dominion...

Of course, this path is totally non-canon... but it should at least be an option, you know?

Kalpas are Nordic religion. The mer recognize only one linear timeline.

Imperials = failing republic

Stromcloaks = ultra nationalists

I still choose the empire though.

The imperials are way better by far. They are about uniting everyone so they are going to treat every one a little better then they would treat each other.

Not really. Even the dragons know that time is constantly cycling, with Alduin being the one who cycles it. Talk to Paarth, he tell you that straight up.

The Mer wish to unmake man and Lorkhan/Shor/Shezarr, so that Mundus could never happen again.

Also, before everyone comes to say how they think the Foresworn are the complete victims here, they've always been hostile to everyone and anyone in the history of forever.

Unlike some Empire people, I freely admit that the Empire has problems. However, I feel that with a Dragonborn as a Legate, the Empire will get up slightly, find a bit of hope, and give me the okay to completely torch Summerset Isles and then decapitate the Aldmeri Dominion leader. If not, at least the Empire will have resources to fight the Dominion the boring and less dragon filled way.

Stormcloaks are hypocrites. They claim to be fighting for Skyrim yet Ulfric is being used and it was HE who made the Thalmor crack down on Talos worship.

...He's a hypocrite for being a pawn? Look, if you're gonna make that claim, at least use some proper reasoning. That's just not gonna fly.

It makes little sense to join the Stormcloaks unless you're a Nord, but even less if you're an elf, Khajiit or Argonian. I always join the Imperials, mostly because they're less likely to yell racist remarks at me.

it'd be cool if i could get some men/women i trust get the greybeards to train them i the way of the voice. Then go out into the heart of admeri dominion in cyrodill and skyrim, and own there high up assess,.

I wish there was a way to negotiate a lasting peace treaty without chosing sides at all. The pacifist option


And I think that, as Dragonborn, both sides really would want you fighting for them. The PR value of having the Dragonborn, the mythical hero of the people, supporting your side should make them both try to recruit you more actively. Send letters. Send officers with personal invitations from Tullius/Ulfric. That would be cool, wouldn't it?

Yes the Imperials and Stormcloaks are a whoooole lot a-like. Even Tullius and Ulfric have a lot of similiarities, and their differences play off each other in intersting ways. It's too bad that both sides are far to blind to see it though. =/

I don't think you quite understand the Way of the Voice...

I may be a tad soft. But none of the sides tempt me very much.
Imperials tried to execute me, though I did nothing wrong, so you'd think that the option should be very clear because of that. But the more stormcloaks I met the further away I became from joining them. To bad, I'm feeling like I miss out of some of the story.

Neither did Tiber Septim, hence the Imperial College of the Voice he founded in Markarth, pity that seems to have disappeared from history.

Anyway, the war is to a large degree over religion, the nature of the Aedra (or rather one in particular), not entirely about territory and political independence. May as well say 'all true worshippers of Talos' as 'all true Nords'. The fighting with the Forsworn is more about territory.

Not ironic but rather realistic. Bethesda does not get a lot of create for their storytelling but bravo to them on this. This twist is a true reflection of the situtation as it often is in real life. Things are not black and white, but rather shades of grey. No one side has the ture moral high ground, both sides have issues.

My Nord warrior sided with the Stormcloaks out os a sense of racial pride. My mage has sided with the Imperials becuase it will create a better environment in Skyrim for the College of Winterhold. My theft is siding with neither and stealing from both becuase the Imperials tried to execute him and the Stormcloaks will not let his people in mass enter their cities.