This is my plan:

- making a huge playable worldspace by converting a RAW heightmap with TESAnnwyn
- turning it to .esm
- using CK to fine tune the terrain, insert flora, fauna and NPCs along with buildings and saving these modifications in an .esp
- merging the .esp to the main .esm and then turning the .esm back to .esp - OR - using the .esm along with the .esp to play


Now:

- I've read you cant load a .esm in Skyrim if it has no references to Skyrim.esm, otherwise the game is going to crash
- I've read using TESVSnip to merge plug-ins can only bring to a total mess
- It's well known that the CK cant handle a worldspace bigger than 4x4 quads without crashing or freezing


So now I'd like to try set a Skyrim.esm reference in my TESAnnwyn generated worldspace, so that I can make an .esp that is going to contain all that normally fills a land, like grass, trees and some ferocious beasts.

But I dont know how!!

Anybody could tell me how to safely set the Skyrim.esm reference in my .esm so that it's going to properly work in Skyrim along with the modifying .esp?

Thank you =)

I't done. Read the PM I sent.

Wrong thread, Tamb0, this is a differente topic. ^^

The question is still up, any help will be very welcome, thank you. =)

This is something I really would like to find a solution to as well. I'm gooing to do some testing with FNVEdit and see if I run in to the same problem as with TESVSnip.

I realised that after I posted it.

While I'm here I'll answer this as well. OK, lets take this in stages

Between those two stages, what you should do is start the CK. When selecting the data files, put a tick in Skyrim.esm and your Worldspace.esp. Set Worldspace.esp as the active file and hit OK. When it has loaded into the CK, just save it again. The CK will automatically change the Worldspace IDs from 00xxxxx to 01xxxxx and set Skyrim.esm as the master file. Your Worldspace.esp. is now ready for converting to Worldspace.esm


Backup your Worldspace.esp to another folder and then rename the Worldspace.esp in your Skyrim\Data folder to Worldspace.esm. ** Start the CK again and this time, select Worldspace.esm as the active file.** Press OK. When the CK loads fully, just save and the CK will set the correct flag in your esm. You now have a master. Exit CK and Goto ** until **

When you try to set Worldspace.esm as the active file, the CK won't let you. This is fine. Just make sure there is a tick in the box next to it and press OK. When the CK loads fully, save again. This time a save dialog box pops up and asks you for a name for the save file. Just type Worldspace.esp and save.

Your new Worldspace.esp will have Skyrim.esm and Worldspace.esm as its master files.

Hmmm.....I'm not sure I've completely understood the process....could you rewrite it as a 1.2.3 list?

Anyway my doubt is about opening a 16x16 quads esp as active file in Skyrim's CK.....have you ever tried? Dont, it's a waste of time, it freezes and crashes every time.

1) False. You don't need to override or reference anything in Skyrim.ESM. Masterless plugins work just fine whether ESM or ESP.
2) True. Certain record types can be hosed over editing them with TESVSnip over zlib'd subrecord data mishandling or something to that effect.
3) No idea about that one as I don't often mess with WRLDs, but I'd imagine it's not inherently so given the CK can handle Tamriel.

I've tried loading a non-Skyrim-referenced .esm, some time ago, and all I got was a CTD....you say it works, now?

CK handles .esm files pretty well and you can load them all the way no matter the size.....as well as you cant directly modify them. I can also load my 16x16 quads .esp, if I do not set it as the active file. If you try to load up the same .esp as the active file, all you get is a CK crash, I'm a witness. =(

They always have, although I've never made a plugin with TESAnnwyn.I'd have to see the plugin to say for sure, but I'm guessing there's something malformed about it. If you link it, I can take a peek.

I'm planning a 16x16 worldspace, the CK is not an option to build the terrain.

A 16x16 quads plug-in can be between 200 and over 300 MB heavy and I have no place to upload any of my large trial worlds.

Also, I'm not sure what you mean with "malformed".

My 16x16 quad world worked fine to load in the begining, TESAnnwyn and non-Skyrim-referenced. Then the 1.5 Update came along and my esm stoped working unless they had Skyrim as a reference. For me this was the case for all esm, no matter the size. If this is no longer true this is great news, as the normal method to make an esp dependent on the Skyrim.esm using the CK is impossible with large (really large) worlds.
When the midsommer celebrations is over and I get back to my computer I will do some extensive testing

I've opened a 8192x8192 esp without any problem, but I've never tried a 16384x16384. It may be down to the amount of memory you need. Not sure.

So we're bound to Elinen's tests.....anybody else had the same problem?