Hi,

Yeah I looked at those 'fire flask' items - but not fully! And The 'oil trap' object already works as an ignition source in my other mod (an island) - but this new mod needs script to check is 'oil trap' used / disabled etc - that is my next job!

Also, I have just sketched a rough 'pseudo code' for flint and tinderbox and eqippable useable lantern - but they are not anywhere near ready (or even started yet).

Watch this SPACE!

I got home earlier than expected and hope to put out the mod (as it is) for trial tonight!

Note: You should use a 'testing area' to build and test groups of objects that make up a 'fire target' then copy the working fire target to your main project mod for duplication. This may sound like a lot of work - but the mod makes this so much easier than manually linking objects.

As yet, I have not been able to 'group' the objects via script to make them as one complete object! This could lead to problems if 'fire target' objects are moved out of line - so keep that in mind please. This is, after all, my first attempt at the mod!

Update:

PlayerIgniteExtinguish (PIE) mod with a short readme file description, video example - sped up some and description / how to .pdf is now taking its own merry time to upload to 'SourceForge'.

The file is a 292 MB .7z zipped up file (7 zip) and it should unzip easily.

LINK TO FOLLOW!

I just want to say that my mod is very much a starter upper kind of thing for me - especially the papyrus script. The mod is not great - but it does work!

Also, I am working on player ignition via lighting an oil trap connected to the 'fire target' tonight and have a short list of other tasks to accomplish in order to give the mod a bit of polish!

The mod is not yet ready for a general release - no workshop or nexus download in place.

The mod is available now though.

I Have zipped up some files and put them on to 'SourceForge' - unconventional I know but should suffice for any of you that want to download the mod and test it.

I would not recommend using the mod to create 'fire targets' in your own personal mods as yet - use a test interior first (one is included - 'aa00FireTargetTestArea'), get to know what I am getting at with the mod before moving fire objects into your project main mod.

It occurred to me that I may be able to make a sample selection of 'fire targets', for now though the one included example will have to suffice.

So, I suppose I should link the download then!

https://sourceforge.net/projects/playerigniteext/

Though the download is quite small, it took about 10 minutes to download on my sluggish (2mb usually) ADSL connection! Sorry if the download speed causes inconvenience.

Awesome , can I use it to do this following task?

Player gets close with a torch and lights up a brazier?

ABSOLUTELY YES!

Set up a 'Fire Target' - say a brazier fire object (flames on) and a brazier fire object (flames off) and add a light, smoke and sound if you want to (optional) add the trigger box as shown in documents.

Now add the script to the trigger box and set properties as shown in documents

Now put a brazier in render window and align the 'fire target' objects to the brazier.

Result is - a brazier that can be ignited if player is carrying a torch (equipped) and can be extinguished by the player.

If you set questions up, player will be asked to ignirte (if has torch) the 'fire target' or extinguish it.

I may add a property to the script for a 'container' so to say - which you would use an object such as a brazier, fire pit or fireplace for.

For now, I hope that the mod at least gives some sort of help!



EDIT: I just tested to make sure. If you do not use the ignite questio and player has a torch eqipped, the 'fire target' auto ignites (you can use ignited message or not). In a similar way, not using the extinguish question will have the 'fire target' auto extinguish (you can use extinguished message or not).

cool thanks , and in case u update will I be able toupdate it easily or I will have ro go throught every dungeon I placed the script in?

Good question!

I will not change the name of the actual mod if updating - so it should just be a question of putting the new updated mod into the 'Data' folder of Skyrim - doing so should not harm any 'fire triggers' you make or place in your main mod.

The only problem I can see is that when I figure out the ignite with magic system('Flames' magic), you may have to update any 'fire target' you wish to be ignited with the 'Flames' magic. At the moment I am still trying to figure that out!

For the time being, it may be best to limit the amount of 'fire targets' you use - until I work out the ignite by 'Flames' magic issue. I just had a 'brain wave' on that though! Watch this space!

well I guess in a week u will be figuring it out no? in meanwhile I won't have made all that dungeons I guess lol ....

LOL!

I have just asked in another thread for a bit of scripting help.

So, with a bit of luck, the problem will be solved sooner rather than later.

Warning! There is a bug in the released mod with 'oiltraptouse' - I have just corrected it in my own version. I already say not to use oil traps yet, so this is just a friendly bit of information - EVERYTHING else in the released mod works as I intended.

Just DO NOT use oil traps.

I may need to revise my idea of how to use oil trap ignition - I need to stop for the night now though and will look at it more later.

UPDATE:

I am working on correcting / updating the documents for the mod and changing some names of mod components to make them easier to find and aim to have the update released within the next 48 hours.

I aim to have the update include working;

• Flint and Tinder box - a small chest that contains the flint and tinder - this is to be the only way to get those items in this planned update
  
• Flint - based on charcoal object as I have no other suitable model as yet
  
• Tinder - based on paper as I have no other suitable model as yet
  
• New version of main script - to include ability to ignite 'fire target' with flint and tinder (if player character has these in inventory)

Sorry for any problems or inconvenience relating to first release of the mod.

Additional - for continuity reasons - the update will be version 003 not 002!

Ok I didn't yet used so I 'll wait ... btw did you check this mod?

http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1363415-rel-frostfall-hypothermia-camping-survival-thread-2/page__st__60

Thanks for the link!

That mod looks great.

I am about to post in that thread.

I am still working on my mod and will try to get that update out as soon as I can.

The linked mod is a real in game type mod, mine is more of a tool to use in the CK and I am trying as best to change as few items in game.

If you do use the released version of my mod, keep in mind it is very rough cut and that the next release should be a lot cleaner.

I'm still unsure about putting my mod out for general release on the Nexus or Workshop. Maybe if I improve the mod - especially the script I will then release it to a wider audience.

I'd like to thank you for your encouragement, patience and general support.

No problem I can wait and I see you are going along very quickly ... and thanks to you for doing this ...

Just popping in for a quick update,

The script for the flint and tinder to ignite the 'fire target' is taking a little longer to implement than expected but I am getting there.

• Flint and Tinder box - Made and usable
  
• Flint - remade to use more suitable object, is usable and should be (untested as yet) available from vendors
  
• Tinder - remade to use more suitable, object is usable and should be (untested as yet) available from vendors
  
• New version of main script - to include ability to ignite 'fire target' with flint and tinder (if player character has these in inventory) is almost complete but needs revision
  
• Documentation - main document fully revised and almost ready to turn into a .pdf! Video document - still a bit basic but in process of revising.

All being well, new and fully working mod will be uploaded within 24 to 48 hours - this may change though.

Work to be started for next update;

Ignition of fire targets by magic spells such as 'Flames'.

Possible inclusion at a later date;

Usable, eqipable and ignitable lantern. This will be a real challenge for me and may include 3DS Max work - so will probably take quite some time to implement.

Thanks for your patience (all).

you made a model for flint and tinder?

I was going to try to make a 3DS Max model and then learn how to import it to the CK for use but that will take me a while to learn.

Instead, I copied other in game items, renamed the copy and set up the properties of the new object.

So, I have now got the required objects with these base models;

Flint model 'oreiron01.nif'
Tinder model 'RuinsLinenWrap01.nif'

There is also a flint and tinder box that contains both flint and tinder and can be placed in the game world (At the start of a dungeon maybe) and though untested, you should be able to buy flint and tinder from a merchant - though you may have to set this up as I think so far, flint and tinder purchase is only randomly available!

If player has both flint and tinder in inventory then they can ignite the 'fire target' - the real problem I had with this was understsanding how Papyrus works!

Also, I am in the final testing and documentation stage of the 003 version of the mod and if I can finish to my satisfaction I will upload it tonight.

Furthermore, I have had a bit of a 'brainwave' as to how to ignite the 'fire target' with magic and have the user (a modder using the CK) choose which spell to use. That is very much a problem to solve in the next update though!

Well, I have some good news and some not so good!

Good news first;

The mod when ran by itself is fully operation. (No lanterns or magic use ignite as yet but everything else works.)

The idea of linking objects easily by building 'fire target' works really well as does ignite, extinguish and flint and tinder.

Now the bad news;

I am having trouble with two one problem!

The first is that although in the early stages of making this mod duplicates seemed to work OK, they now do not!

The second is that cut and paste from this mod only partially works!

The objects all transfer over as do the script and messages.

The 'fire target' stays permanantly on though.

I suspect the second problem is related to the script not setting the 'trigger' properly and hope to fix that soon or that I am trying to run two mods and the script is only in the one (this one) an that may take a little longer to fix.

As for the first problem - I'm kind of at a loss - except I do not think the duplicated trigger script is properly accessing the duplicated objects or the problem is similar to the first. (!?!)

The first was a simple error of me getting confused! LOL.

I need to further test the second error though!

The idea behind the mod seems sound and, as I say, when ran alone the mod does work for single 'fire target' so I will 'battle on'.

I will upload the updated mod and the documentation shortly for anyone that wants a look at it. (link to follow) https://sourceforge.net/projects/playerigniteext/files/ now.

Sorry for any inconvenience - I will either fix the issues asap or temporarily drop the mod from further uploads until a fix is found - I will still be working on the mod.

For the time being, I would not try run the mod alongside other mods as such but you can still download it and give it a try out. Maybe you will see something obvious that I have missed.

Just a progress report

As already pointed out, the mod works great on its own - I have used it to make and duplicate many 'fire target' in testing and they all work.

The issue of using the mod along with other mods is still haunting me - I can note get that to work - I have some ideas of why that is.

Any way, I am currently going through the whole of my main script to tidy it up, improve ';' comments and make it more readable to others. Iam doing this as I am going to ask in the forums for help.

The main script used in the mod works properly in the mod but I do not think I have set it right for use in transfer to other mods.

As soon as I have the mod working properly with other mods, I will re release it (maybe as v004).

Thanks again for the encouragement.

Edit: http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1367154-combining-mods-issue/.

How's ging with ur project?

Sorry for the lack of update / communication.

I have had a bit of a bad time with my health and have not (personally) been using my computer much at all.

I'm felling much better now.

I had a friend who is not savvy with programming / scripting but is otherwise quite bright have a look at the PIEMod script. After taking some time to understand the basic 'syntax' of the script and reading the script right through several times, my friend agreed that, in itself, the script is fine. Furthermore, the script does do as expected when in the PIEMod and not being transferred in any way to any other mod. In short, the script is fine!

I also introduced my friend to the basic workings of the CK and, after a while, he made a very basic dungeon - from the CK tutorial. Armed with the basics, my friend then created a 'fire target' within the PIEMod by following the documentation I have made (cleaned up). The 'fire target' my friend made works well in the PIEMod.

When in the PIEMod, the 'fire target' duplicates correctly for multiple use - we had six ignite / extinguish braziers working independantly from one duplicated 'fire target'.

When it comes to transferring the 'fire target' into a mod for - lets say - a dungeon, all objects are easily transferred over (copy and paste) and then the 'fire target' can easily be duplicated for multiple use. THIS INCLUDES the 'trigger' that has the controlling script. There is no point in duplication though because of the problem I describe next.

The problem seems to be that although any 'fire target' copied from the PIEMod seems to be fully intact, the script on the trigger for (each) 'fire target' does not seem to execute.

(EDIT) I have tried using the PIEMod alongside another mod but have created the fire target in that mod instead of in the PIEMod and that did not fix the issue - the 'fire target simply stayed on permanently and none of the script / trigger options where available.

I will be busy with life things for the next few days but I will try to get back to the mod as soon as able.

Also, I have a thread asking for help but no one has answered! I will add another post to the thread to try for help again today.

Once again, sorry for the lack of communication, the mod is still neing worked on though.

cool thanks I really hope I can use ur mod ...

Hi,

I'm off to a baptism this morning but will be back to the CK this afternoon / evening.

My farther, a person who is computer illiterate and likes it that way, sugggested I try a different approach to the way the mod works or at least how the script gets in to another mod.

I have made some notes for such a different approach and intend to try it today.

It may turn out that the only thing you need to make 'fire target' is the script!

So, if I do not post again today, I should have at least an update monday or tuesday.

You need to speack with the maker of the Frostfall mod , he told me you are getting a probably non desiderable approach to it , he said he wanted to talk to you when he got time , if he didn't do yet try contacting him , he is quite handy ... that way you coul dalso make it compatible with his mod , I think he got something similar for detecting proximity on fires , same goes for N1tor Hypothermia mod ...
And happy weekend then ...

Yeah! There is probably a much better approach to the problem.

The thing is, I am learning as I go and think that is a good thing.

I think that the basic ideas behind the mod are workable and I know the mod to date works 'after a fashion'. I can also see that, for example, my script could be improved as and when I better learn papyrus.

For me, this has been an interesting project. To be honest though, I do feel (without prompting) that the mod could be much improved.

Another thing that occurred to me is that I have been trying to make the mod like a tool for use in the CK with other 'primary' mods - where modders could use it to build parts of thier own mods. Maybe I should it would have been better to build the 'fire target' as an object! I don't rightly know.

As it is, I am seeking help with the mod and would be willing to take advice on how to improve it or even rebuild it. Alternatively, should I not be able to get the mod working as intended (integration with other mods), I am willing to turn it other to someone that better understands the CK and Papyrus.

I will try contacting the frostfall maker directly today and see how it pans out. Even if it prooves my mod is entirely useless as it is, maybe that guy can take the idea and make it work as part of his mod.

I have sent a (rather long) message to Chesko (Frostfall) with information about PIEMod and a request for criticism or advice.

For now though, I will soldier on as is said.

Kind regards.

Hi,

It seems I have some news!

Somewhat good news first;

I have made and duplicated 'fire target' in a seperate mod - the older one I am working on. With the original and the duplicate 'fire target' in place and skyrim running, testing confirmed that BOTH 'fire target' work independantly.

So, now we have the bad news;

I did not use the PIEMod as such - just the 'trigger' script from it!

The script, though somewhat badly constructed due to my lack of knowledge of Papyrus, actually works.

What I did:

It all works!

Why is this bad news?

Because it confirms that the way I made the PIEMod was incorrect.

Maybe the PIEMod can be made to work as intended - as a tool for creating 'fire target' to transfer to another mod.

For now, I will be using the script only in my other mod. (The script + fire target system + duplicating does cut down time making individual targets.)

I have not given up on PIEMod just yet and I am waiting on communication from others that may help.

The one thing for certain is that, as it stands, the PIEMod is useless!

Somehow though, I feel I have made progress!

Now, if you want to try it out, the spoiler roughly outlines how to use the script in a separate mod (read the V003 documentation to get how it works). The process looks a bit long and daunting, but once the script is in the mod, you need only use it from the CK not the text document - making initial 'fire target' is longest part - making duplicates is much easier.

The initial 'fire target' I made (in the separate mod) took about ten minutes as I had to copy the script and make the new messages. The duplicate took about one minute to duplicate then move to required area.

Any way, it kind of works as shown in this video (will link very soon when it uploads). the 'FireTargetInModTestVIDEO' in the usual place (linked below).

Thanks for the inspiration and continued support. If I can get this to work as a mod, I will.

For now, the script as a text document is uploaded in the http://sourceforge.net/projects/playerigniteext/files/!

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Now some notes:

It seems that the PIEMod to date is an utter failure and this may be true!

The approach to the mod was or is maybe a tad wrong.

I need to better understand Papyrus.

The mod documentation could use a bit more attention (!).

All that said, I have learned a lot from this (ongoing) 'project'.

Once again, thanks to all involved. It is only through encouraging others, constructive criticism and a bucket load of patience that we will see great results come from the CK. (it may take me a while to 'catch up' though!)