Yes, I know you're all pissed off after the fact that there's no Unarmed skill tree. So, to all those who wanted it, let me ask you one thing:

Did you ever tried to punch a dragon to death?

Seriously, who would be suicidal enough (in-game) to go engage a dragon in unarmed combat? My guess is that, assuming you tried, you died a lot of times until you realized that you'd be better off with a weapon or a arsenal of spells.

Anyway, is there any more ways in which, outside of a beast form (werewolf or vampire lord), unarmed combat is a complete and utter liability?

Also, kudos to those who DID killed a dragon with their bare hands. Now, go grab a weapon and better your chances of survival.

actually i think an unarmed killcam of a dragon would be epic. dragon-chokehold-of-death for the win. or dislodging it's bottom jaw as it snaps at you for the kill cam. man. now i wanna go punch a dragon to death. or twisting it's head and snapping it's neck. the list could go on.

but also, giants would be a pain in the [censored] if you (like me) aren't good and kiting with melee.

It's not, they made it not viable when they removed hand to hand, I never used hand to hand in oblivion, but I liked the idea that I could become a kung fu master

Have you never heard of a monk?

A monk won't last long against a dragon.

says you. if unarmed were actually a skill it would be just as viable as dualwielding swords. still need to be in the dragons range with swords right? flipside is the slightly faster switching to spells/hands.

Realistically, neither should a knight. In fact, wearing all that metal ought to cook you alive in your own armor. Then again, I suppose you've never done a DnD campaign playing a monk, and witnessed the glorious moment of killing a dragon in 1 hit from quivering palm.

The Greybeards would like a word with you.

In oblivion it is viable because hand to hand damage fatigue and when fatigue go below zero they will get knockdown.

Damage wise is also fine, can mixing damage fatigue and disintegrate armor spell to help you more. I found in oblivion hand to hand is more fun than sword

As of now its probably possible to do a Monk build only having Fists, Talos Shout Glitch.

the aspect shout? does it grant uber gauntlets?

I'm pretty sure I remember seeing a video of a guy showing you how to maximize your fists so you can punch everything to death quite easily. It was actually quite hilarious to watch. Even dragons proved no match for him. It's on youtube somewhere. I can't he arsed to look for it right now.

Your argument is circular.

You think punching a dragon is stupid because unarmed is underpowered. There's no reason going on a giant, fire breathing lizard with a sword should work out but we roll with it because that's how the universe works. If unarmed were viable it'd make sense within the framework.

I unarmed killed a dragon once. kept trying to equip dragonbane sword but for some reason it didn't equip so I beat the dragon to death with my fists. heavy armor unarmed perk of course.

turns out I had been trying to equip dragonbane by equiping dragonrend haha.

Either way it can be done.

You can't unarm fight with a shield on one hand though. Thats kinda a let down for me.

I dont have Dragonborn (PS3). But the Amulet of Talos glitch lets use have no cool dkwn tkme.

why not? do it (forgive the marvel reference) captain america style. bash them over the head with the shield or charge them if the final block perk isnt bugged for you, then punch them while they are staggered/knocked down.

I'm assuming that what you're trying to say is that killing a Dragon with your fists wouldn't be realistic?

If so then realistic =/= good. And technically, killing something with your bare hands isn't exactly unrealistic either.

Actually, that was Morrowind where you knocked them down. In Oblivion their health just went down when you punched them.

I have a character who routinely punches and shouts dragons to death. I'm not sure I'd want to try punching alone. There are ways to go about it so you can avoid dying. An Unarmed skill or perk tree would be nice, though.

No, they were knocked down if stamina went below zero

Oblivion still have it too, because my last oblivion character was a monk. I am sure of it

never played morrowind but i can vouch for it happening in oblivion. i did it many a time, but usually the only place i used unarmed was the tutorial prison escape when i would allow mythic dawn to infinitely spawn.

Nope. At least, I can't remember knocking anyone down anyway. I always punched them to death, so unless there was a certain thing you had to do in order to knock someone down, then I don't think that knocking someone down was in Oblivion.

I am 100% certain it was in Morrowind, though. I remember going into people's homes, knocking them down, pickpocketing them and then I'd just leave. It kept me entertained for hours... I have no idea why.

Does Elemtal Fury work for hand to hand? That would be sweet!!

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Hand_to_Hand

Read it here, it do fatigue damage and when enemy fatigue. Regardless whatever method you use, if enemy fatigue drop below zero they will be knockdown

Actually this is has more details http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Fatigue