A hypothetical question to Empire supporters : V

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:55 am

I was wondering, for all people who support the Empire, what would be your reaction if Bethesda made it canon that the Empire lost Skyrim (for instance, if you support the Stormcloaks that is what causes Skyrim's independece or if you support the Empire a later rebellion causes Independence) and later that the independent Skyrim was able to lead an alliance of other nations to defeat the Thalmor.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 5:06 am

I'd deal with it. Personally I think that Ulfric is a power hungry rascist hiding behind the mask of nationalism. But it's Beth's decision in the end and, whether or not I agree, I can't do much about it.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:52 am

i don't see it happening, at least not anything the dragonborn does influencing it. That said i'm sure that something will come along to render the whole civil war moot, it would be strange for bethesda to make any choice cannon, they haven't done it before

Well they did but with the dragon break, but i don't really see them pulling that card twice (actually i can)

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:31 am

That would depend entirely on how the story as a whole moves forward.

» Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:06 pm

That's how I expected it to go down when I first heard about the two factions in previews. If they do end up going that route, I think it would be interesting from a lore perspective to have Ulfric's Skyrim end up in complete disarray.

» Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:12 pm

Considering the Thalmor are the biggest threat to all men period, all power to them. That still doesn't mean that I consider Ulfric and his pets fit to be rulers of Skyrim in the long-term. A new, more egalitarian Empire is still the best.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:31 am

Depends on whether or not the rest of the story is B.S. If it's tolerable, I'd svck it up like a man.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 6:41 am

Actually, part of me does what the Stormcloaks to win, even though I don't support them. I want to see the Thalmor advance towards their final goal.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 12:54 am

It's not a free Skyrim I have a problem with, it's the fact that the "free" people of Skyrim would be wearing gilded shackles under Ulfric Stormcloak.

I'd be Stormcloak all the way if Ulfric died in Unbound, and you were able to join the Stormcloaks, now effectively leaderless, and unite them under your banner. If it was you leading the Stormcloaks to their freedom rather than that despicable cretin I'd be all for it. But I cannot and will not ever support Ulfric Stormcloak.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 12:04 pm

2 New games, an Empire edition, and a Stormcloak edition. I'd die.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:54 am

I've personally come to the conclusion that the Stormcloaks are going to win in canon. I know there's a 50% chance I'm wrong, but I just feel like it's right that the Dragonborn rids Skyrim of the Thalmor with Wuuthrad just like Ysgramor.

I feel it in my bones that the Dragonborn is going to not only lead man, but this time man and mer of Tamriel against the Thalmor! Imagine leading you separate unique forces from each race and area of Tamriel unified against one evil after putting differences aside for the Alduin crisis.

» Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:34 pm

I support the Empire, but the future games would be much more interesting if the Stormcloaks won.
I would probably be more pleased than annoyed.

» Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:33 pm

it would be highly unlikely for rpg devs to make such a choice Cannon though i have to say i would deal with it my reasons for being a "milk drinker" are my own though the lore is the lore and i can't really argue with it.

off topic: there are a million and 1 ways that supporting the stormcloaks can be considered a fools game if you look at it though a strategic stand point...

there are power in numbers and a divided alliance is a weak one weather you be Nord, orc, human, or any type of race as one you can easily be crushed under the thalmer but united you stand quite an opposing chance

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:33 am

it would be highly unlikely for rpg devs to make such a choice Cannon though i have to say i would deal with it my reasons for being a "milk drinker" are my own though the lore is the lore and i can't really argue with it.

off topic: there are a million and 1 ways that supporting the stormcloaks can be considered a fools game if you look at it though a strategic stand point...

there are power in numbers and a divided alliance is a weak one weather you be Nord, orc, human, or any type of race as one you can easily be crushed under the thalmer but united you stand quite an opposing chance

I don't see any other way the Thalmor will be defeated. Regardless of which side won, it's going to need to be united.... That will be easy to make into DLC; nothing will change.. lol.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 7:04 am

I don't see any other way the Thalmor will be defeated. Regardless of which side won, it's going to need to be united.... That will be easy to make into DLC; nothing will change.. lol.

im saying it would be harder for Skyrim to gain the imperials support if they push the imperials out of Skyrim in the first place so that is my reason why i support the empire there seem to be a lot more people in skyrim who support the empire then the storm cloaks from an observation the only hard core storm cloak supporters in the game seem to be around windhelm

» Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:58 pm

From what I understand, about ten percent of the American populace actually supported revolution against England. The world knew it was a foolish move to challenge the mightiest empire on earth, especially with the untrained and undisciplined army available. It was simply idiotic.

But it worked.

Maybe it's just me, but when "experts" tell me something is impossible, I can't wait to do it. I see the Stormcloaks the same way, and I would support them with or without Ulfric in charge. The thing has momentum, the timing is right (by being so stupidly wrong) and it's entirely possible that a new empire grow from the debris. At least, this is what I'd like to see happen.

» Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:33 pm

Cry?

Uh, probably not. I would probably just shrug it off and focus more on how Beth executed their decision than anything.

» Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:21 pm

im saying it would be harder for Skyrim to gain the imperials support if they push the imperials out of Skyrim in the first place so that is my reason why i support the empire there seem to be a lot more people in skyrim who support the empire then the storm cloaks from an observation the only hard core storm cloak supporters in the game seem to be around windhelm

I've noticed it being about 50/50.

To be completely honest, I think both sides have completely legitimate reasons they are right. Not one side is 100% right in my opinion. The Empire has always protected Tamriel and fighting against a weakened Empire will only weaken Tamriel. However the Empire no longer represents the people of Tamriel, and how much people don't want to believe it, Ulfric is fighting for all the oppressed not just Nords.

I support the Stormcloaks because I personally would rather fight than give up and have everything i love taken away from me.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 6:10 am

I've noticed it being about 50/50.

To be completely honest, I think both sides have completely legitimate reasons they are right. Not one side is 100% right in my opinion. The Empire has always protected Tamriel and fighting against a weakened Empire will only weaken Tamriel. However the Empire no longer represents the people of Tamriel, and how much people don't want to believe it, Ulfric is fighting for all the oppressed not just Nords.

I support the Stormcloaks because I personally would rather fight than give up and have everything i love taken away from me.

hmm didn't exactly think of it like that i guess i agree

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 5:13 am

I'd be fine as long as the Black Marsh was leading the charge

» Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:49 pm

If it were to happen then I'd give Uflric his props on here. I don't see it as at all possible though.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 4:22 am

I support the empire for the power if a United front, but if that happened it would be part of the story and that is that its simple, I don't dislike Nords just Ulfric.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:41 am

I don't see what would be te big deal. If it is canon that the Stormcloaks win we will never know if it was a better solution than an Imperial victory and if the Empire wins we will never know if it was a better solution than a Stormcloak victory.

The only major reaction I have is that I will start to join the Stormcloak in my character for consistensy in the lore and the character.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:34 am

Actually, part of me does what the Stormcloaks to win, even though I don't support them. I want to see the Thalmor advance towards their final goal.

I would actually line to see the Thalmor advance to their endgame as well it would be interesting to see how that fit into the game.

» Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:52 pm

I assume such events might be recorded in TES lore in a similar way to the Warp in the West, beheld in obscurity, to satisfy all players. Honestly I would support the Stormcloaks if not for their intolerance of other cultures and races. If, as you say, the Empire has defeated the Stormcloak rebellion at which point another takes its place, I would support it so long as the goal was freedom for more than just the Nords.