After playing New Vegas, it just about became my favorite game of all time, with Fallout 1, I suppose I didn't realise there's only so few of these deep rpg's out there.

In comparison, Skyrim is more of an action adventure. I don't care AT ALL about ANY character. I don't care if anyone dies, everything is static, there's no depth.

I love the game's adventuring, but hate it when I see the uncountable missed opportunities in characters and quests. I consider many an npc in new vegas, and some in Oblivion, my character's friend. My skyrim character doesn't give a [censored] about anyone.

Well, Skyrim primarily lacks RPG elements. A lot of people would call things like making camp at night, staring at a campfire for an hour, taking the time for the character to eat and limiting oneself so it takes 8 hours to get anywhere roleplaying - but I really wouldn't. Games with dialogue and characters with opinions and personalities are what makes a roleplaying game (but only if you have a choice in the same boundaries yourself, obviously). That's probably why you feel more attached to the characters in other games.

Skyrim simply has none of that focus, because it's primarily designed for exploration and heroic deeds.

Oblivion seems more alive in comparison to Skyrim, that there is just wrong.

No love for Lydia?

Lydia doesn't seem care if you try kill people in the Jarl's Throneroom, she's lived there all her and if they start to attack you, she helps you. That there is just wrong, Baldur's Gate did it much better.

How does someone become insanely disappointed?

Anyway, I agree, but after Oblivion, I didn`t expect too much. In fact I wasn`t even going to buy the game, I just forgot about it for a while.

That way I never had that `insane` feeling. However, I was very surprised when further into the game, so many things that need not be changed were. For example, I love 1st person and it`s always been nice to have that choice in Morrowind and Oblivion, so I was shocked when suddenly you couldn`t ride 1st person on horse and you keep being flipped into 3rd in combat.

Then there`s the character skills and stories, etc.

I got some crap saying this was a `deep rpg`. I laughed- loudly. many older games wipe this out for deep rpgs.

No. Just... no.

I would have maybe bought the argument for Morrowind, but Oblivion doesn't even feel close to Skyrim in terms of how fleshed out the world is.

Skyrim is a fun sandbox action-adventure game, but a pretty poor open-world RPG.

Those who disagree are usually the people who cannot understand the difference between adventure games and RPGs in the first place.

Skyrim is like a shiny new picture, you admire it a few days, then see an ancient artefact and realize what you actually was admiring was some stupid modern art. It has no real heart, games need heart badly, Bioshock had heart, that's one of my favourite modern games. I just wish there was more.

And another classic debate technique.

If you don't agree with me, it's because I'm on a higher plane of understanding than you.

Skyrim is basically cosmetic. Looks great on the outside but deep down it seems to be lacking soul.

Dissapointing for a game that was in development for X amount of years

Skyrim has no heart, games with heart feel more alive, you can tell which ones are right away.

I disagree, there are some characters out there that will win your heart, Lydia is a very bad example as she is arrogant, sarcastic and I would imagine a little bit frigid, despite having a perversion for watching her Thane sleep. I mean, take Kharjo for instance, arguable one of the most appeasable followers out there, and he isn't useless. He is my faveourite of all the Khajiit anyway, I also like Brelyna and a lot of the Argonians have great personalities, though I do admit more depth would've been nice, if you're dissapointed that's your bag and I feel for you.

And according to pretty much every reviewer and the insane sales record, the game has plenty of life and heart.

These forums are a wonderful microcosm of whining, but they represent less than 1% of the playerbase.

I have a similar anology. But I won`t use it here.

I hate the fact that a lot of these games are using the `great graphics` trick that drag people in short term, but when you want something substantial you actually find there`s nothing much there at all.

At least there are mods if you have a PC, it`s what kept me going.

...but I am on a higher plane of understanding than most people on these forums. Really. There's a very small group of people who know what they're talking about on these forums... and the rest are completely clueless.

LOL. You`ll just make the kiddies angry, talking like that!

Well don't let me bother you in your Fortress of Enlightenment™. Wouldn't want to taint your divine ear with mortal words that lack understanding of what a True-hardcoe-RPG™ really is. That knowledge was locked away by the elders for a reason, and I just feel privileged to be exposed to the Chosen Reader™ of the Forbidden Tome of Ancient RPG Knowledge™.

Sheo, he did same thing he attacked ya for in another thread. So ignore him.

I can understand what ya mean, if you've played so many rpgs you begin to figure out which ones are the worse. I'm only 21 so not quite reached that zenith.

agreed.

So many things are cut and so little has been added which makes me wonder what happened to Bethesda.

Too late Blade, seems like some of us hate it . Me I respect people who played more rpgs than me, from them we can learn.

Agreed in every way, New Vegas is up their with Morrowind my on favourites list.....Skyrim not so much....played it for about a month and have never picked it up again.


Bethesda have taken to catering to 'as many people as possible' rather then making a unique game, and it is rather sad that Skyrim is seen as a deep game compared to most others right now.

Agreed, not "insanely" but agreed none the less which Is why I love using the Term, 1 Mile wide, 12 inches Deep.

You "THINK" there is alot to do, its tempting, it draws you in and then you are sufficently dissappointed that you cannot go further or that there was nothing there in the first place. and if you think I'm hating on skyrim with that statement...well yeah you really don't have a clue.

I don't consider "making up my own Stories" Rping, let me clarify. I shouldn't have to come up with reasons for ANYONE ELSE but my char, I shouldn't need to use my imagination to make sense of what just played out.


anyway, I'm on the CK, doing stuff....

That`s wise. Few on the net seem to know how to learn from those with experience. They`d rather argue brainlessly on what they `think`.


I hear much about Vegas- Must try it.

...so does this mean you're going to stop spewing your special brand of uninformed crap all over the forums then?