Isn't it evil to be collecting souls?

Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 6:35 am

As the Dragon Born in the game you collect the Dragons Souls after you kill them, isn't this a little wrong i mean sure they were trying to kill you but this is a creatures soul we're talking about, and the Dragon born is eating souls on a probably daily bassis, don't you think it's wrong to remove a creatures soul even if it's a dragons?
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:05 am

Dragons are immortal beings and the only way they will stay dead is when a dragonborn, I.E: you, absorbs their soul. Try to think of it as a necessary evil. You're saving the lives of hundreds, maybe thousands, of innocent people by doing it.
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:19 pm

M'aiq was soul trapped once. Not very pleasant. You should think about that once in a while.
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:42 pm

As the Dragon Born in the game you collect the Dragons Souls after you kill them, isn't this a little wrong i mean sure they were trying to kill you but this is a creatures soul we're talking about, and the Dragon born is eating souls on a probably daily bassis, don't you think it's wrong to remove a creatures soul even if it's a dragons?

If that concerns you that much, isn't it wrong to play this game?
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:54 am

It might be evil if you were on earth but you're on Nirn, a land of magic and fantasy and the rules are all different. Things are looked at differently on Nirn. :tes:
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:39 am

Dragons are immortal beings and the only way they will stay dead is when a dragonborn, I.E: you, absorbs their soul. Try to think of it as a necessary evil. You're saving the lives of hundreds, maybe thousands, of innocent people by doing it.

Plus aren't like all Dragons evil? Would you feel bad if you absorbed Hitler's soul?
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:31 pm

Your ability to absorb Dragon souls comes from Akatosh.... the Dragon god who created Dragons.

I'd say you are in the clear...

Now... Black Soul Gems... that is an entirely different conversation.
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:07 am

It would be fun (and more evil :P) if the soul games would show the names of the poor captured souls. Like "Iron dagger of Annoyance (enchanted with Nazeem's soul)". Could a mod do this?
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 11:34 am

Evil? There is no such thing. Especially in the Elder Scrolls. Evil is just a word used by those who are in the position to threaten another one's well-being.
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:31 am

But it you're using those souls to enchant weapons, once the "charge" is exhausted, hasn't the soul left the weapon? So it's a temporary trap at best. Now enchanted armor and apparel is a different thing.

BTW, shouldn't a ring enchanted with a human or mer take on something "personality" from that soul? Sorta like the twisting associated with Precious.
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:51 am

Evil? There is no such thing. Especially in the Elder Scrolls. Evil is just a word used by those who are in the position to threaten another one's well-being.

Bad is something you don't like
Evil is something that makes you unhappy

How about we put you in a black soul gem, and maybe make a random magical Daedric weapon out of you? Could be that you don't even get to be a good weapon, just one that sits in Dovakiin's treasure chest collecting dust, or, possibly disenchanted immediately.

Would that make you happy or unhappy?
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:38 pm

My theory is that soulstuff in Nirn is not destroyed but manipulated. When the Dragonborn absorbs the souls of dragons, those souls aren't gone, they live on inside of the Dragonborn, dormant but giving power to the Dragonborn, to be released upon the Dragonborn's death.

As for enchanted items and soul gems, only the capture of black souls is considered evil in society. White souls (beasts, monsters, etc) are a gray area, and the harnessing of white souls is more like soul domestication, whereas harnessing black souls is soul slavery.

The soul is not destroyed when the charge in an item is gone, but rather the soul is weary and cannot give off more enchantment until the soul is fed with the soul energy of other creatures. These souls are also not destroyed, but their energy is expended immediately before the soul returns to the source of soulstuff. Finally disenchanted items have their souls released and the soul gives the enchantment knowledge to the disenchanter before departing to the source.

Thus, it can be theorized that all magical items are to some degree sentient.
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:09 pm

I don't think taking Dragon Souls is evil. These dragons want to take over and kill innocent people. I guess it's evil in a way, but for the greater good of humanity (or whatever you would call it on Nirn) you have to kill to save someone. It's like killing a murderer, yes you are killing someone but at least you will save many more innocent lives.

I was thinking of making a new mage but trying some Conjuration. But I don't want to as I think it's evil. Especially re-summoning/reviving the dead to fight for you. Maybe I should make my wizard more neutral. He helps people but he does it his own way. I just can't bring myself to play evil as I find it's not rewarding to me. I like being a hero but I also want to try these things out haha.
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 6:19 am

It might be evil if you were on earth but you're on Nirn, a land of magic and fantasy and the rules are all different. Things are looked at differently on Nirn. :tes:
But we are essentially the God of our characters, governing their every action, every thought. Since we are from Earth, wouldn't we essentially be influencing our Nirn Dovahkiin of our Earthly morals?
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:04 am

If you were born with the soul of a dragon, Where did that soul come from? Is it a new soul? Or the soul of a previously 'permanently' killed dragon, freshly returned from the Dreamsleeve?
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:39 pm

BTW, shouldn't a ring enchanted with a human or mer take on something "personality" from that soul? Sorta like the twisting associated with Precious.
No, but I do role-play that from time to time. It adds to the experience.
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:57 am

M'aiq was soul trapped once. Not very pleasant. You should think about that once in a while.
Indeed, I can't imagine it being very fun...
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 11:11 am

If their souls are so important to them, then they need to protect them better by staying alive.
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:36 am

Nope not at all but finding a black soul gem giving a farmer 5 gold then chopping his head off and filling the black soul gem might be. Particularly if you then use that soul gem to power your weapon raid some bandits run of with the loot and spend it all on sleeping tree sap.
As the Dragon Born in the game you collect the Dragons Souls after you kill them, isn't this a little wrong i mean sure they were trying to kill you but this is a creatures soul we're talking about, and the Dragon born is eating souls on a probably daily bassis, don't you think it's wrong to remove a creatures soul even if it's a dragons?
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:37 am

It would be fun (and more evil :tongue:) if the soul games would show the names of the poor captured souls. Like "Iron dagger of Annoyance (enchanted with Nazeem's soul)". Could a mod do this?

Then I'd find a way to use him to enchant my honey-bucket.
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:15 am

If their souls are so important to them, then they need to protect them better by staying alive.

MWUHAHAHAHAA!!!! Well said! A fool and his soul are soon parted...
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:23 am

its a flippin game...COME ON MAN!!!
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 5:36 am

Dragons also absorb other dragons souls. But since Morrowind, I never felt comfortable using magic weapons. I usually don't recharge them or even capture souls.
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:20 pm

My theory is that soulstuff in Nirn is not destroyed but manipulated. When the Dragonborn absorbs the souls of dragons, those souls aren't gone, they live on inside of the Dragonborn, dormant but giving power to the Dragonborn, to be released upon the Dragonborn's death.

As for enchanted items and soul gems, only the capture of black souls is considered evil in society. White souls (beasts, monsters, etc) are a gray area, and the harnessing of white souls is more like soul domestication, whereas harnessing black souls is soul slavery.

The soul is not destroyed when the charge in an item is gone, but rather the soul is weary and cannot give off more enchantment until the soul is fed with the soul energy of other creatures. These souls are also not destroyed, but their energy is expended immediately before the soul returns to the source of soulstuff. Finally disenchanted items have their souls released and the soul gives the enchantment knowledge to the disenchanter before departing to the source.

Thus, it can be theorized that all magical items are to some degree sentient.

I like this theory the energy has to go somewhere after the enchantment is used up right?

its a flippin game...COME ON MAN!!!

I know it's a game but im a Rper.
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:36 pm

"Isn't it evil to be collecting souls?"

So what.
Unless you've somehow managed to be extraordinarily persuasive you'll have spent the game tearing the face off of every bandit, wolf, bear, necromancer, hag, spider, spriggan, etc etc that you come across or that comes across you.
I hardly think stealing the odd soul should prove that much of a problem...!
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