How do NPCs in FONV do dailies in the present life. Like, how do they brush their teeth without toothbrushes or toothpaste existing, if the toothbrush and toothpaste did exist, they would be using them, but I've not seen 1 person in Fallout do that. All they do is eat, drink, talk, kill, fart, and sleep, they never brush teeth, nor do they even bathe (maybe they do), but if they eat and not brush, their teeth would decay and how would they eat then? The NPCs don't even use the restroom, how else would they get their wastes out of their body? Well, I guess that Obsidian didn't want to spend even more time adding realism to the game, hardcoe Mode is already more realistic then Casual Mode. But most Action/RPGs don't have that such realism in them where you have to worry about everything. The only clean restrooms I've seen are in the Strip, and that's the Ultra-Luxe and other casinos, you see the name Ultra Luxe, right? Its luxury even in the restroom. Feel free to correct anything in my post that's wrong like if they do go to the restroom then put "They do go to the restroom", but put that only if they really do go to the restroom.

I posted this thread on the wrong section, its supposed to be in the General Discussion :facepalm:

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While they added some more realistic elements this isn't The Sims and the basis of the game isn't the minutia of NPCs lives. Had they tried to incorporate so many details like this it would have taken resources away from developing other aspects of the game.

And chances are a lot of mundane tasks for us today are quite rare in a post-apocalyptic wasteland.

> NPCS
> All they do is eat, drink, talk, kill, fart, and sleep, they never brush teeth
> Fart

I want to see that, what NPC is walking around farting? D:

Should we add paper clips, combs, erasers and lighters to the game too?
They can't add "everything" for realism yknow.
Even if they add in a crap load of stuff there'll still be things they forgot about.

They might fart when you're not looking or not around. Who doesn't fart once in a while. Maybe after the Bombs fell, the ability and memory of fart was gone. I wonder if Caesar farts a lot.

But Fallout and Fallout 2 had lighters :sadvaultboy:

I believe you're taking what you see in the game a bit too literally in terms of how people live. That said, I think it would be interesting to see items like toothpaste and toothbrushes laying around, although they would certainly beg the question of just how much damned toothpaste was leftover from a war 200 years ago for people to still be using it. It's more enlightening to look at a basic history of the toothbrush and see how people have cleaned their teeth through the ages, in ways that could be replicated by FO inhabitants: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toothbrush

You also have to look at the pragmatic effect of including certain actions as fluff. It's not important, as a game, for the player to be able to see people go in the bathroom and take a dump. It could be an interesting addition: The door turns red if someone's inside a bathroom or stall, so you get a bad reaction if you open it. Maybe it's locked, maybe not. If you're a decent person and you want to raid the first aid kit, you have to wait for the person inside to leave, which is interesting. Possibly the most compelling aesthetic argument against it is that it would look bizarre for an NPC to be sitting on the toilet fully clothed. Then we'd just be talking about how crazy it looks for someone to essentially be crapping through their pants, or pointlessly standing in front of a urinal. All in all, given the engine's limitations and some people's sense of taste, it was probably a much smarter decision not to have anyone do that and just assume it happens when you're not around.

This can be broken down to include any number of examples. The game is chock full of stuff and various behaviors already, so there's only so much time to include fluff that probably requires some time spent making it work technically that, as I'm sure a ton of people will agree, might be better served fixing bugs. Let the modders get NPCs to hit the restrooms.

FEV has caused a continent-wide mutation making all humans immune to the gum disease gingivitis.

there are several functional outhouses in the Mojave Wasteland that you can "use"

You should know by now that toilets on the other hand, are strictly for drinking. yum!

i think before we can call the game realistic we need to add "realistic relationships" between some charceters so while some nps are assholoes to their spouses and hit them about and stuff whereas some of the npcs just svck it up and take it we need some npcs that picks up guns and blow their spouses faces off whether or not it ruins a quest or not =\ orrrrrrrrr............ we just accept the fact that this is a game and let what be, be

-Kid tries to sit on a toilet-
-Mom comes screaming into the bathroom-
"SON WHAT ARE YOU DOING!!!!!!!! TOILETS ARE NOT WHERE WE RELIEVE OURSELVES! WE DRINK OUT OF THEM."
"....Then....Then where should I go?"
"Go do it out on the street :stare:"

A great many things that modern man considers mandatory are really just marketing angels. Other than keeping your breath from smelling like rotting food, brushing your teeth isn't really mandatory. Our teeth aren't all that different from a dogs and I have never brushed a dogs teeth ever. I know some people do but...seriously...why? They're dogs. People existed for a few years (I will leave it to your personal beliefs to assign a number to that statement) before any form of dental care. Also...why would you care if NPCs did these things? Using the restroom? Does it truly diminish your gaming experience that NPCs don't display proper digestive evacuation? I mean...I find myself immersed enough to care about the "lives" of NPCs in games all the time but not enough to worry about their colonic and urinary regularity.

Honestly...I am touched that you do care so much. If I wasn't inspired to study video game design before I sure am now.

Stop thinking so much...and that is really hard for me to say. Not every situation requires deep anolysis. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. :mohawk:

Fallout 1 had one for a quest just outside of FotA's place.
And Fallout 2's one was probably just in there because it used the same engine and, well, why not put it in there even if it serves no use?

So basically, there was a point to the lighter in the first game.
And in the second one it was just there since it was basically already in the game.

At my desk I right now see:
A glass with pencils in.
An eraser
An empty cigarette package.
A full cigarette package.
A lighter, green.
A 360 controller.
A gum bag.
Two combs, one black, one orange.
A disc for some PC program.
Some transparent tape.
Three hair-bands, one pink, two red.
A stack of Wasteland issues.
An ipod without a headpiece plugged into it.
A tv remote.
A piece of paper, pink.
Some money, 3 1kronors and one 5krona.
A wallet.
Another eraser, more round shaped than the last one which was rectangular.
A... Measuring stick? (???)
Several toothpicks.
Another pencil, a real fancy one at that.
A piece of plastic paper from the cigarette package.
A mobile phone with a hair-band tied around it.
A bus-ticket.
Aaaand that's about it.

The point?
They couldn't possibly add all objects we see in real life to the game and have NPC's have animations for using them.

You have a point Fishy, I just think it makes a 'cigarette scene' complete when you have a lighter next to it. xD

You forgot that bug your goverment planted...

O_O
Now we have a point for bringing them back.
Let's go to the DLC suggestion thread!
To the Fish-Mobile!

Skooma, It's not a spider is it!?! I absolutely hate spiders!! Damn government!

Someday soon, if people want it, they’ll be able to add all that sort of content without sacrificing gameplay, but not yet.

Lets not forget that F:NV also has the SAME SILVER LIGHTER from the old ones in the Dynamite lighting animation :laugh:

there is a lighter in NV, I won't spoil it, but its pretty easy to find.

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Please tell me NPC's have a lighter in their "lighting a cigarette animation".... (I don't stop to check.)

Nope, everyone just magically pulls a cigarette from nowhere and just starts puffing. :laugh:

Only NPC I've seen light a smoke was Benny, and that was in the Pre-Rendered intro cutscene :laugh:

But we need it for http://msnbcmedia3.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/100622_Xbox360S_Kinect_web.grid-6x2.jpg

I get a kick out of watching the rangers in power armor smoke and eat iguana bits while wearing their stormtrooper helmets.

The new XBox connect game, "SMOKE!" :laugh: