A major weakness of the Aldmeri Dominion

Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:50 am

Not all elves live to 1000. Dunmer have an average lifespan of between 2 and 3 centuries. Bosmer is about the same I think, Altmer can live to 1000.
ALL elves can live to be 1000. Its just that most dont because of disease, lifestyle, combat, etc.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:42 pm

ALL elves can live to be 1000. Its just that most dont because of disease, lifestyle, combat, etc.


Really ? I thought I remembered reading that in BoB but I wasn't sure.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 7:03 am

The fact that the Thalmor are hell bent on eliminating Talos worship (and Talos was a notorious elf-stomper) means that they are having to fall back on political solutions to their current weakness.

We need a DLC/Expansion that allows us to directly participate in a brutal and satisfying comeuppance to the Thalmor.

What do you mean falling back on? They've been doing that since the beginning. The take-over of Valenwood and Elsewyr all involved politics and intrigue. And since the White Gold Concordant was nearly identical to the ultimatum issued before the Great War, it would suggest that that was their intent from the beginning. They didn't plan on trying to conquer Cyrodill when they first started that war. It was merely a diversion until they realized just how disorganized and unprepared the Empire was.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:37 pm

one thalmor wizard can kill 20 imperials. dont forget atronach, and they could reanimate their enemies to fight for them
aldmeri dominion all the way!!!
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:02 pm

one thalmor wizard can kill 20 imperials. dont forget atronach, and they could reanimate their enemies to fight for them
aldmeri dominion all the way!!!

That's why the Imperial Legion brings Bretons to it's fights.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:04 pm

one thalmor wizard can kill 20 imperials. dont forget atronach, and they could reanimate their enemies to fight for them
aldmeri dominion all the way!!!

Despite their supposed superiority, the Empire still drove them back. Breton mages can produce equally powerful results, and I'd like to see a Dominion foot soldier stand up to an Orc, or their slave archers from Valenwood penetrate an Imperial testudo.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 6:00 pm

Well, no. They caused a stalemate. It was the Redguards who drove out the Thalmor after the Empire threw Hammerfell under the bus.

Also to note, the Thalmor have no love for the Psijics, branding them a band of rogues mages, and the Psijics moved their entire island into who knows where and do not like the Thalmor, going so far as to intervene in order to stop a Thalmor agent in Skyrim. Likely, this means that Summerset Iles, now Alinor, no longer has the protection of the Psijics, meaning it is very possible for invading armies of Tamriel to land on the altmer's shores for the very first time since Tiber Septim attacked with the Numidium.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 6:19 am

Well, no. They caused a stalemate. It was the Redguards who drove out the Thalmor after the Empire threw Hammerfell under the bus.

Also to note, the Thalmor have no love for the Psijics, branding them a band of rogues mages, and the Psijics moved their entire island into who knows where and do not like the Thalmor, going so far as to intervene in order to stop a Thalmor agent in Skyrim. Likely, this means that Summerset Iles, now Alinor, no longer has the protection of the Psijics, meaning it is very possible for invading armies of Tamriel to land on the altmer's shores for the very first time since Tiber Septim attacked with the Numidium.

Titus II led the assault from the north, personally capturing Lord Naarifin. It is rumored the Emperor wielded the famed sword http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Goldbrand, although this has never been officially confirmed by the Imperial government. An attempt by the Aldmeri to break out of the city to the south was blocked by the unbreakable shieldwall of General Jonna's battered legions.
In the end, the main Aldmeri army in Cyrodiil was completely destroyed. The Emperor's decision to withdraw from the Imperial City in 4E 174 was bloodily vindicated.
Lord Naarifin was kept alive for thirty-three days, hanging from the White-Gold tower. It is not recorded where his body was buried, if it was buried at all. Once source claims he was carried off by a winged http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Daedra on the thirty-fourth day.

Not what I would call a stalemate.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 12:49 pm

Wasn't a victory either, as the Empire still gave into the Thalmor's demands.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 12:19 pm

Wasn't a victory either, as the Empire still gave into the Thalmor's demands.

Militarily the war was a disaster for the Dominion. The Empire leveraged that victory to get a peace treaty. They were so war-weary, though, that they were willing to take about anything. That resulted in a significant political victory for the Dominion.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 3:33 pm

It still is a disaster given the lower fertility rate of elves, the Empire will have a full force again in a generation or two, then the AD are screwed unless they have a daedric prince or the Hist on their side.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:56 pm

The Empire would not be able to defeat the Dominion's navy, though. The Altmer have the best navy in Tamriel.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:40 am

Dragonborn have historically been known to make the Summerset forces their whuppin boys.

When Tiber Septim defeated the first Aldmeri Dominion, he did something that his predecessor Reman Cyrodiil could not; all Reman could manage was a tribute. How did Tiber Septim do this? He had Numidium go stompy stomp all over them.

The Mede Empire had neither a Dragonborn nor a giant stompy robot on their side during the Great War. Now, there is a Dragonborn again. However, like Reman, that still isn't enough.

What is there now? ...Dragons. I predict that the Dragonborn will end up rallying the Dragons to their cause when it comes time to bring the fight to the Thalmor directly.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 6:17 pm

What is there now? ...Dragons. I predict that the Dragonborn will end up rallying the Dragons to their cause when it comes time to bring the fight to the Thalmor directly.

This. From what Odhaviing says, it seems that the dragons tend to follow those with the strongest Thu'um or appears to have the strongest Thu'um. Paarthurnax may have a strong Voice but Dragonborn defeated Alduin on the Throat of the World and completely obliterated him in Sovengarde.

As for the Thalmor, they may reproduce slowly but their wizards have the potential to be the greatest threat to the Legion. The Legion is made up of warriors and there is this thing in Skyrim where certain classes trump others. Warriors defeat assassins because of their high health and high damage output. Assassins defeat wizards because unlike warriors, wizards can't defend fast enough for an assassin to deliver the finishing blow.

But wizards defeat warriors. Considering both of them are frontal assault classes, the one who can deliver fast blows from far away wins. That would be the wizard. Archery cannot compare against lightning magic and the best battle axe can't compare to a hoard of skeletons draining your stamina. A wizard in the TES universe poses an interesting war machine as you're sacrificing manpower for a walking infantry killer. On the flip side, all the Imperials need to do is contact the Dark Brotherhood or train certain Legionaries into special forces.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 5:02 pm

The Thalmor never outnumbered the Imperial Legion, they are just patient as hell and know all the right places to hit. which makes them Seem everywhere.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:26 pm

Dragonborn have historically been known to make the Summerset forces their whuppin boys.

When Tiber Septim defeated the first Aldmeri Dominion, he did something that his predecessor Reman Cyrodiil could not; all Reman could manage was a tribute. How did Tiber Septim do this? He had Numidium go stompy stomp all over them.

The Mede Empire had neither a Dragonborn nor a giant stompy robot on their side during the Great War. Now, there is a Dragonborn again. However, like Reman, that still isn't enough.

What is there now? ...Dragons. I predict that the Dragonborn will end up rallying the Dragons to their cause when it comes time to bring the fight to the Thalmor directly.
I am curious if we will indeed we see if the future expansions will have us take down the Dominion. If not we will need something similar in power to the Numidium. Also I do agree that the information regarding how fast mer reproduce is biased based off of speculation and conflicting stories. I think that they could have as many races as the human races but that is again speculation.

One thing that we need to remember its not the Dominions goal to keep control of the empire forever they wish to strangle the empire and reduce any power they might gain and erase Talos from the mythos then shatter the Mundas and ascend to their magical plain, there is information on the Aldmeri Dominions goals in my profile regarding this situation.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 5:38 pm

If you guys think about Broken steel, you can bet your sweet pittuties on a Skyrim Equivalent in that you rofl stomp an overlying enemeh
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:13 am

Conception rate for Elves isn't the problem. It's their maturity rate and the time it takes to train them. Altmer have great soldiers at their disposal. But who exactly are the Aldmeri Dominion's greatest soldiers? It is their Mages. How old are their best and most experienced mages? Hundreds of years, most born in the 3rd and some even in the 2nd Era. Archers and Goblins can easily be replaced, but their most talented soldiers are not expendable. They took heavy losses during TGW, and they won't be able to replenish them in a mere quarter century.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:43 pm

I am curious if we will indeed we see if the future expansions will have us take down the Dominion. If not we will need something similar in power to the Numidium. Also I do agree that the information regarding how fast mer reproduce is biased based off of speculation and conflicting stories. I think that they could have as many races as the human races but that is again speculation.

One thing that we need to remember its not the Dominions goal to keep control of the empire forever they wish to strangle the empire and reduce any power they might gain and erase Talos from the mythos then shatter the Mundas and ascend to their magical plain, there is information on the Aldmeri Dominions goals in my profile regarding this situation.

What about Odahviing and the Dragons loyal to the Dragonborn? The Aldmeri Navy doesn't stand a match against them.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 12:56 pm

The Empire would not be able to defeat the Dominion's navy, though. The Altmer have the best navy in Tamriel.
Do you have a reference for this?
Not to say its false, I'm just interested about the navies in Tamriel.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 6:56 am

Do you have a reference for this?
Not to say its false, I'm just interested about the navies in Tamriel.

The chronicler can scarcely find a year throughout the First or Second Eras when the Maormer did not ravage the coastlines of the Altmer. As terrible as it was, it did force the Altmer to build a great navy to defend itself, and to this day, it is on the seas that the High Elves excel in combat. There are villages in the central valleys of Summerset that have never seen battle, but so much blood has been spilled along the coasts, it is a wonder it is not stained permanently crimson. - Summerset section of the Third Edition of the Pocket Guide

Indeed, the Colovians have taken to calling their enemy the "Old Mary" Dominion, for the womanly offensives of its Elven soldiers. The situation at sea, however, is another story, and the Dominion terrorizes the southern waters from the Cape of the Blue Divide to the Topal Bay. - Aldmeri Dominion section of the First Edition of the Pocket Guide.

It doesn't outright say they are the best, but their navy was notably more powerful than the navy of the Septim Empire. The Mede Empire doesn't stand a chance.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 6:25 pm

They're gonna have to get a forced breeding program together then :wink:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3j3okb3kuts

Yeah its time for an Aldmeri baby boom!!

I support the dominion. With my help, domination of Skyrim will soon be theres.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:02 am

Well, no. They caused a stalemate. It was the Redguards who drove out the Thalmor after the Empire threw Hammerfell under the bus.

Also to note, the Thalmor have no love for the Psijics, branding them a band of rogues mages, and the Psijics moved their entire island into who knows where and do not like the Thalmor, going so far as to intervene in order to stop a Thalmor agent in Skyrim. Likely, this means that Summerset Iles, now Alinor, no longer has the protection of the Psijics, meaning it is very possible for invading armies of Tamriel to land on the alzheimer's shores for the very first time since Tiber Septim attacked with the Numidium.

The Empire threw back the Dominion invaders and cast them out of the Imperial province, annihilating their entire occupying force in the process and hung their general from the White-Gold tower. The Imperial province however was destroyed and the Empire believed that if the war continued they would lose ground elsewhere and they had already been running on empty. Unknown to them, they had dramatically overestimated the Dominion's strength who had also suffer grievous loses, and so a peace treaty was signed under false assumptions on the Dominion's terms with minor concessions given to the Empire. Hammerfell didn't like the idea of giving up the Southern isles to the Dominion and fought them in a separate war, forcing the Empire to abandon the province- but to the backlash of many veterans and politicians, which led to volunteers from the Empire who fought on their behalf. To their astonishment, the Redguards defeated the Dominion and reclaimed the entirety of their land, which confirmed the terribly faulty intelligence that greatly exaggerated the Dominion's strength.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:23 pm



What about Odahviing and the Dragons loyal to the Dragonborn? The Aldmeri Navy doesn't stand a match against them.
We will ultimately have to wait and see because few could stand against the dragons or one such as the Dragonbotn but few vojld also stand against the old wizard lords of the Summerset Isles I acknowledge both sides power but if the Thalmor regime goes past the events in Skyrim there will need to be another means to defeat them, line I have said there true goal is to obliterate everything.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 4:01 pm

Do you have a reference for this?
Not to say its false, I'm just interested about the navies in Tamriel.
The chronicler can scarcely find a year throughout the First or Second Eras when the Maormer did not ravage the coastlines of the Altmer. As terrible as it was, it did force the Altmer to build a great navy to defend itself, and to this day, it is on the seas that the High Elves excel in combat. There are villages in the central valleys of Summerset that have never seen battle, but so much blood has been spilled along the coasts, it is a wonder it is not stained permanently crimson. - Summerset section of the Third Edition of the Pocket Guide

Indeed, the Colovians have taken to calling their enemy the "Old Mary" Dominion, for the womanly offensives of its Elven soldiers. The situation at sea, however, is another story, and the Dominion terrorizes the southern waters from the Cape of the Blue Divide to the Topal Bay. - Aldmeri Dominion section of the First Edition of the Pocket Guide.

It doesn't outright say they are the best, but their navy was notably more powerful than the navy of the Septim Empire. The Mede Empire doesn't stand a chance.
And there is MK's description of what the Altmer navy consists of:


Description of an Altmer ship:
Made of crystal and solidified sunlight, with wings though they do not fly, and prows that elongate into swirling Sun-Birds, and gem-encrusted mini-trebuchets fit for sailing which fire pure aetheric fire, and banners, banners, banners, listing their ancestors all the way back to the Dawn.
This is Old Mary at Water.
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