one word sums this up quite easily... Obama.

That doesn't really sum anything up :/

Of course. Staying out of this discussion from now on.

Calling people hillbilly rednecks is also a form of class warfare. There's quite a few intellectual rednecks.

Yep, sorry about that. I do know that. Just a little bit anger.

Where I am, you *might* be able to pick up a job fairly quickly, but the chances of it paying a liveable wage where you aren't forced to rely on other tax breaks and benefits or living with someone else to help pay bills is still fairly rare.
For me it's job security too. I know so many people who have gotten made redundant recently, and it's definitely scary. My Dad was one of them, and it really knocked him a bit (he's always had a job - he couldn't believe how hard it was to get one once he was made unemployed). As it is, I know my job is as secure as it gets for at least a few years, but that has stopped me going for other positions which I may like more or be better paid. I've got another friend who just got his dream job, only to be told the company's being sold off/merged, and no no one's job is safe there.

I agree it is somewhat of a catch 22. Just because you have the education doesn't mean you get the job. Still work history can get you a foot in the door.

Another problem I noticed with my generation, is that they don't want to start at the bottom. They have the education and the want to get the high paying job, they want to be the boss and they won't take anything less. A part of my program is management.. I have had interviews with many employers and often the first things they tell me is, I am not going to be running things, that I will have to do my time at the bottom.

Did a co-op with other college and university students going to school of much the samething as I am. I was a couple years older then them, and they would not shut the hell up about how low they are being paid. "I am going to school for this?!" I would turn to them and say "you have zero experience, did you honestly think you would be running the place?" It was good they complained alot, made me look good because I did what I was told and didn't complain. I was given more trust then they were.

So the point is todays generation often doesn't want to start out on the bottom. They often go to school for useless things, that have no real world application. Or if they do have useful education, they don't want to work their way up the ladder.

Young people noadays feel entitled to everything, that they should just get the high paying job.

I don't want to be Mr. Brown, sound too much like Mr. [censored].

God I love Quentin Tarantino.



So, if someone has a different opinion than you regarding politics, then they are, as you say "hillbilly rednecks."

Nice, totally not the first time I've heard that. :rolleyes:

I got a BS in chemistry with no RL experience, meaning, I can only do entry level chem positions for 20-40k a year. Real money kicks in after getting a higher level degree, and more RL experience.

It's a long term career with a long term plan.

No, but if there is no real arguments, I am avoiding it. I do not dismiss people with other worldviews / political symphaties as "hillbilly rednecks". It was just a little bit anger. As long as they are not racists, nazis or sixists of course. If that's the case, I personally feel free to call them whatever I want. Usually I mingle with intellectuals, so that rarely happens.

Oh [censored] pipe down you guys. It's called "ignore." Use it. Otherwise, go to PMs if you feel you must have this discussion. Also, acting snobby ain't helping your case. I just see more ad homenim attacks being thrown around. Doesn't matter if you're having a bad day.

I am not acting snobby. It's called giving a polite response, and I am not going to go as low as beginning to use ad homenim attacks here. I think it is absolutely splendid that people are having their own opinions, but please have your arguments ready if that is the case. I am not going to debate anything here, as I have stated in one of my former replies to this thread.

This is already a pretty sensitive subject. We should follow Hellmouth's first bit of advice and pipe down. Please, save the rebuttals for personal messages.

And this is exactly why they don't allow political discussion here.

I can see that now. Coming in here as a scandinavin, growing up in a different culture in many ways than americans does affect my views on different subjects. I certainly did not mean to start a war. I do apologize for my behaviour. I really do hope things get better for all you who are struggling, I really do.

I'd rather be rich with shame than poor with honor right now.

Haha. You are entitled to your opinions.

Really? I value honor.

A big problem, I think, is education. Parents and college advisers should be strongly recommending that students go into computer sciences or other fields with, y'know...prospects. Many things which were once viable fields now have no career opportunities. Journalism, for example, may have been a reasonable and lucrative career path 30 years ago, but no longer.

Secret to being successful in American job market:


Of course I'm kidding, although I have spoken with two of a friend's co-workers that claimed it worked for them. Of course, they're women. :sadvaultboy: Can't be sure it wouldn't work for men, though.

No and yes. It is harder to find a job nowadays, but it is still easy to find a job, get rid off all the junk you don't need, stick to the bare necessities (oh mother nature's recipes!!! :tongue:), splurge every now and then, and live a good life. In one week I got a job that is very good for my college schedule, and have noticed that when people say there are no jobs out there, that they are just lazy and don't go looking everywhere. They stick to only the stores that say they are hiring, and don't go everywhere. Just because a place says they aren't hiring doesn't mean you won't get a job. And when you apply for a job, you need to go in and check up, call them, and just keep bugging the heck out of them. A good amount of people don't do this, and they don't get the job.

I also took a business communication class this semester and it showed me how to make my resume stronger, how to make an excellent cover letter, and a follow up thank you letter. Good class to take in these troubled times.

In that case I suppose you'll have to determine exactly how much you value honor and weigh it against what you consider rich.

Depends really. If you have a vocational degree from university - business management, maths, computer science, engineering - there's always going to be jobs, and well paid ones at that. There is of course competition but if you're good and have worked hard (for example, you got a first) you shouldn't have much trouble at least finding things to apply for. On the other hand, if you've got a humanities degree and no set career path it might take you a while. I was in that boat and it's taken me 4 months since I got back from travelling to find a good job, and I only got it this week. I'll be earning good money and it's a foot in the door but it's actually the only interview I got despite applying for a lot of jobs.

If you've got an idea of what you want to do, unlike me, pursue it and be super keen. It can only help your chances.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2011/nov/16/young-jobseekers-work-pay-unemployment



So what do you get when you take mandated 2 months unpaid labor in a marketplace with high employment turnaround? Basically an endless supply of free labor that rotates every 2 months.

In the US, Georgia has had something like this for a while and other states are considering it. It's a return to feudalism.

Well, not really. They're getting paid 50-odd quid a week for their jobseeker's allowance anyway, on top of whatever other benefits they might be getting. And anyway, most apprenticeships don't pay a lot (usually about 100 quid a week, if that, though for a 16 year old that's pretty handsome) but what people want nowadays is experience. More power to them I say.