melee needs to cancel firing and reloading, so it can melee - knife.


with current settings one has to stop firing or finish reloading to do melee afterwards

1. this doesnt make knife easier, knife is not one kill move afterall.
2. commands getting ignored is more mess for the game mechanics than command shooting getting stopped for melee command to execute.
3. melee key needs to do what melee does when melee key is pressed.
4. if melee was an ability and the ability would state: melee stops firing or reloading to execute knife or knock down by pressing the melee key, noone would neglect it. (would that then convince u?)

Is this just the knife? or any melee attack, cause I can't really say I have this issue, I have cancelled reloading for just about every kind of action I can think of in my play time, but if it is just with knives, then I haven't played enough with pistols to notice this.

its not just pistols, i tested on primary weapons as well, same thing : when firing u cant melee.

melee needs to cancel firing and do melee.


pc user. // can u melee while firing on xbox or ps3 ? i dont know //, but on pc u cant melee while u hold left mouse button and firing

I just tested this on PS3 for you and with any fully automatic weapon pistol or machine gun while firing you can't melee but with a pistol that only fires one shot at a time you can cancel with melee. As for melee during reload I can melee on PS3 hope this helps.

im not sure i would melee whilst shooting IRL. you would shoot your face off! stop shooting then melee

im sick of easy melee in games these days. a knife should require skill like in older games. ive managed a few melee kills in brink and they seem to work ok for me

cod has a lot to answer for!

its melee dammit and it needs to do what its suppose to do when players ask it to.

but lets say for some reason it cant be implemented due to software coding of the game, which may turn some of u to resent this but i doubt software cant implement it, it most likely can in just few lines of code ( my reference to that was driven by the ability that allows one to reload while sprinting, code is there for sprinting and cancel sprint for reload is just a an option and user choses through the ability to cancel or not ) , in case bethesda and or splash damage dont want to disapoint anyone they could introduce it as an ability: (allow melee key to cancel firing for meleeing)

i bet there will be no one that has a spare ability point who will not pick this one as ability, that will proove the itent of the thread which says we got to have this, its the natural way of melee.


for those who arent sure yet if melee should be canceling firing and do melee but would rather stop firing and then do melee , perhaps they might agree that firing and moving is not apropriate , or in the old school times there were no grenades , or lets not have melee cause its a shooting game, or why have turrets firing when u yourself have a gun to fire with, or why run and reload.


u can keep your cod argument, there has not been any game in recent gaming that does not allow a player to melee and stop firing so melee gets done.
keep the old school and argument too, next time talk to the hand first. you been debunked

u know what cancel means ?

cancel means cancel. u cancel firing when melee key is pressed, cancel firing , cancel cancel cancel

ahem. battlefield. not the bc2 cod clones. i prefer to have to select knife, i think its more skill full. so stupid you can press knife button with the finger down on your gun trigger.

im not anti-cod i just think its dumbed down gaming a lot

are some of you saying you should be able to melee mid-reload? so with a gun in one hand and a mag in the other which hand do they use to knife people?

i am saying it should perform the knife action when the knife - melee key is pressed

Or remap your keys so that you aren't hitting melee while you are shooting.

shoot- mouse1
melee- middle mouse

I have been doing it that way since CoD4 and I have never had any problems with it.

that is smart, but i synchronize better using the two hands, meaning there is a delay between switching the finger from left mouse buttin and middle and press performing action, so for me the other hand finger is already in place the exact time i require the knife, thus overall better performance

btw in case some may say that would make knifing easy, are inacurate , cause knife is not one hit kill but requires two knives or more, also requires making it all the way to reach the distance to the enemy - object .

The delay is like a millisecond; it isn't going to be noticeable, and since everyone has to stop shooting to melee in this game, you would be better off remapping your keys so that you don't screw yourself over in CQC. Using two fingers might be easier and seem more fluid, but you obviously have a lot more room for error, otherwise you wouldn't have made this topic.

I would recommend just adjusting to a 1 finger setup, that way you never have to worry about melee in shooters ever again.

alright lets see:

1. mouse moves around better if ur hand is holding it steady and not moving the fingers around.
2. if its miliseconds transition switching between left mouse button and action on middle mouse button then u are no fire.
3. on cod 4 u mentioned u didnt have to stop firing to knife , knife would execute immidiatelly
4. it is a smart way around the problem but it can be fixed and it may be fixed, if u want to keep your key binds with left and middle mouse button noone stops u.
5. melee key needs to do what melee does when melee key is pressed.
6. commands getting ignored is more mess for the game mechanics than command shooting getting stopped for melee command to execute.
7. if melee was an ability and the ability would state: melee stops firing or reloading to execute knife or knock down by pressing the melee key, noone would neglect it. (would that then convince u?)

regards

1. mouse moves around better if ur hand is holding it steady and not moving the fingers around.
Depends how you are holding it. http://camper1337.webs.com/mousegriphu7.jpg

2. if its miliseconds transition switching between left mouse button and action on middle mouse button then u are no fire.
No, you aren't firing...that is the point. Some games (BRINK) don't cancel your firing when you hit melee and this is how you adjust to it.

3. on cod 4 u mentioned u didnt have to stop firing to knife , knife would execute immidiatelly
I used the middle mouse button in that game as well and my knife duels were decided by ping and timing. If I hit melee too early or too late, I was dead (plain an simple), so the number of fingers being used in situations like that were irrelevant. And really, in the amount of time it takes to move my finger to another button, I will take the same amount of damage from enemy fire as I would if I had used two fingers. The gap between shooting and knifing isn't as big as you think once you are used to it.

4. it is a smart way around the problem but it can be fixed and it may be fixed, if u want to keep your key binds with left and middle mouse button noone stops u.
And if it isn't fixed, what do you plan on doing?

5. melee key needs to do what melee does when melee key is pressed.
That is a matter of opinion

6. commands getting ignored is more mess for the game mechanics than command shooting getting stopped for melee command to execute.
Opinion

7. if melee was an ability and the ability would state: melee stops firing or reloading to execute knife or knock down by pressing the melee key, noone would neglect it. (would that then convince u?)
I don't really care which way the system goes, I'm just telling you that using your mouse is going to be better in the long run because no matter how melee is implemented in a game, using 1 finger will always work. You can take your chances with SD tweaking the system or adding an ability, or you can adjust to the system...it's your call.

LOL, I think if you have a clip in one hand to reload and you hit your knife button, you should lose your ammo to knife. That way it makes your situational awareness a little better, "Hmmm, do I want to take cover, reload, re-engage, or... if he's hurt enough, maybe I can sprint up and knife him, or I can sit here and reload, I'll take the latter, OH [censored], here he comes, KNIFE, CRAP I NEED AMMO HELP!"

aNYways, I have no issues with knifing in this game, and it is the middle mouse button for me, I rarely use it but I have managed 2 kills with it when I've injured someone enough and notice them try to take cover. I also did a test on it however, and I just feel that the mechanics for the knife are fine, I have been able to pull it out any and every time I've hit the melee key, examples includes, pistols, machineguns, sub machineguns, I haven't tried the heavy weapons though, and testing took playing during switching, reloading, and firing.

Funny, I think Battlefield2 was my favorite FPS of all time, I even enjoy BFBC2, but now... the mother of them all is due for release this fall, hopefully they stick to it, though I am patient, if there are bugs, please fix em first, , though, I also don't mind playing through some bugs until they are resolved either, lmfao. I am patient and understanding.

there is a toggle option which allows u to not reload automatically.

personaly i knife yr asses off no matter what the settings are. u cant avoid it by making a mess with the keys or with ignoring melee command. knife is well built in this game cause first knife does less damage - which gives oportunity for u to get out of the way , it happens a lot, perhaps i will find a way to predict reactions to move to the direction u move. so far it seems like for some reason u guys are either players scared of fixing this or u are developers that cant implement , switching the fingers on the mouse while moving mouse around to move your char is stupid when u can have your melee on an easy accessible keyboard keym thats why the developers put default melee key there, personaly my fav melee-knife key is lshift , works like a charm