Quoted for Truth! I bet Jauffre and Martin Septim look down at Skyrim and roll their eyes at the pathetic excuse for Blades. I should FUS RO DAH them both off the mountain for even suggesting to kill the coolest dragon in game psh!




Totally agree with you here. It seems that Skyrim lacks many "third options" to deal with various quests. I think that would make the game even more immersive, if we had more options.

We're not a Blade. We're the Dragonborn. Like Tiber Septim. And the Emperors. The blades swore an oath to protect us. Would any of the Blades in the past have dared to give an ultimatum to to Tiber Septim or an Emperor? They have betrayed their oath, for a vendetta.

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also int he past dragons dominated mankind until the gods bestoyed the thuum to humans. Before the thuum humans were getting thier butthanded to them and on the way to extintion...........if Par was gonna become the next dragon to destroy the world............WHY WHY would he have spent years keeping the thumm alive the weapon that the humans needed to take down dragons?
Also the greybeards are still doing thier thing their job they still have purpose, the Blades............Ur not protecting me the dragonborn and ordering me around? Hell even tiber and the older emporers told them not to kill par, so why is it such a big deal because i wont? are u trying to manipulate me?

Yes that is true, but if you pay attention to what he says when trying to explain why he shouldn't die he says he has been meditating daily which keeps his urge from taking over.

This, they does not know him, they just know that it's an powerful dragon somewhere and the default action is to kill it.
If you run into an dragon sitting peacefully somewhere you would also do an sneak attack, so you act just the same way only tactically.

I don't know why so many people are saying they saved him because of how he changed... It just shows that he is capable of changing his mind. Dragons are eternal creatures, if I understand it right (And only dragonborne can absorb thier souls to kill them)

This gives old parth an eternaty to change his mind and turn on us once again. Its better to just purge every dragon that wishes or has shown that it has or will attack men or mer.

The problem with the idea that Paarthurnax would go rogue due to the "integrated" domination is that domination is a concept of all creatures in Mundus. You enpower over other and this has been on for pretty much ALL of histories in the Elder Scroll, from slavery to wars. Dragons are just being honest about this, everyone else just doesn't think about more indepth.

It goes hand to hand of saying that just because Paarthurnax is powerful, he might go bad, so we should kill him now. This is just horribly wrong in assumption. Its like saying we should kill X because they are related to Y and they might kill us all.

He has an eternity to turn against us. He also is not a god and has shown in the past that he is capable of wanting the demise of men and mer alike. If he has an eternity to do so then you can pretty much say that it is almost certain he will do so. There is only a one over infinaty chance of him not changing his mind and turning.

If you are the last known dragonborne, then it is best you end his life before it is too late. If you end up dieing before having any children or killing him, then if Parth turns against the world then there is no hope in defeating him.

Problem here is now that is that ya assuming if I been living forever, I might turn evil in the end. There been people like that in the past that live for that long and end doesn't turn to that road. Like Divayth Fyr for example. Dude is pretty much almost the same age as our dragon friend but he spend his time doing research and he pratically save the Nerevarine's life. There were liches that exist in those game that one spend is life protecting or doing reseach. Barilzar became a liches to guard the item Mazed Band to make sure it doesn't go in teh wrong hand or a draugr lord name Aesliip who became a lich to become a barrier against the Frost Atronach. And then there the Underking. This undead spend most of his life making sure the Empire doesn't go to hell it self and in the end, destory the Brass God to end the conflict in High Rock.

Beside, the dragons cannot be resurrect anymore with Alduin gone, so the dragons now are vulnerable to death with or with without the dragonborn svcking their soul away.

The statute of limitations on his crimes had expired so I had to let him go.


Inheritance is not necessary for dragonborn. When the need arose for dragonborn he was born.

And how do we know he's changed? Because he says so? Fundamentally, I don't think so. Heck, what cinched it for me was him suggesting maybe men should accept being wiped out via dragon. And I take issue with his doomsday cult who are so on board with ending this world that they consider any weapon against dragons to be evil. I don't mind whipping those Blades back into shape and getting them back on track to fighting Thalmor. I have no use for the Greybeards - let them hibernate on their mountain. In fact, I'd teach them the lesson their founder should have learned at Red Mountain and cut off their supplies.

Because he stopped killing people ages ago and helped you. That's a pretty big sign right there.

There is a difference between living a long time and living forever (being eternal). If you live forever then it is almost impossible there would be something you don't do, whether that be betray someone or even eat a food you don't like. The possibilities are shoved against it.

Besides, most of the liches you mentioned (if not all of them? Certaintly the underking and Barlizar) are now dead, so you cannot say what they would of done if they really did exsist for an eternity.

One other thing, when you killed alduin in the MQ you did not absorb his soul, so you didn't really kill him. When you inquire about it, Arngeir would mention it to you, saying that Perhaps Alduin was not truely defeated, and he is destined to return and finally destroy Nirn.

Except is been implied that Paarthurnax is getting older and eventually, dies either by old age or some dragonslayer. Even then, its more he have alot of life left to live rather then living eternally. He is not going to switch to rogue in the future if he practically spend the past thousands of years of teaching the Way of the Voice. He would most likely spent his remaining years trying to get the other dragons to be in peace with themselves and not get stuck on rage mode.


And if they were to live, they would most likely to continue doing what they were doing, being guardians of an item or the Empire.

Alduin is a special case ie mantler of the Time God of the end. In other words, he is not a normal dragon. Even the Greybeard mention this with comparison with you being special compare to all other mortal at teh end of teh game when ya mention ya defeated Alduin. Hell, all PC in any TES game are special in a way that no other mortal can achieve.

And there is more then one way to end the world and right now, the Thalmors are aiming at destroying the remaining Towers that hold Mundus together, one of these tower being the Throat of the World/High Hrothgar. Guess who live there and be its guardian when the Thalmors want to destroy it.

If that really is what the Thalmor are attempting to do, and it really is achievable, the Greybeards aren't invincible. All the Thalmor need do is starve them out.

I am refering to Paarthurnax and the next generation of dragons that went with the Way of the Voice. The Greybeards will still be a thorn on the Thalmor side, politically. They die/assassinate by the Thalmor and the Empire/Nord of Skyrim would have the Thalmor's head on a platter.

Paar can't teach you dragonrend because knowing the words to a shout changes you and becomes part of you. The greybeards themselves tell you this. Even if Paar had been able to learn the word back then, he would've been long dead by the time DK comes around. It would have turned him mortal/finite/temporary.


The big issue I have with killing him is that the Dragonborn isn't necessary to kill dragons, just Alduin. Anyone can do it. If Paarth goes all omnicidal, people will kill him.

A particular TG member was once a bandit who saved a bunch of innocent women and children when the bandit chief ordered them killed. I assume you exacted justice against him too? The empire tries to behead me at the start of the game for no reason. This of course means the entire empire is murderous and every single legion member should be put to the sword immediately. Eventually the entirety of Nirn will be wiped out because of that line of thinking(At which point you'll have to kill yourself for committing genocide)

Skyrim and the Empire would be too busy trying not to be exterminated by the Thalmor and/or dragons to care what happens to a group of hermits.

Because they both have respect for the Greybeard to a point they are willing to hold a truce at their base up the mountains, temporary. They are part a very important part of the Empire and the Nords of Skyrim history.

I take that with a heavy dose of salt. The Greybeards are respected for the Thu'um, and are accepted as a neutral party to host a peace treaty, but that's as far as it goes. Their only significance to the Empire was directing Talos to the south, and after having done the dog and pony show for them, it leaves me to wonder what really happened during Tiber Septim's meeting with them.

If the Empire can be convinced to set aside their founder and hero, there's no reason to believe they'd lift a finger to assist a group of hermits who won't even fight for them.

They also exist to show that with great power comes with great responsibility. If such power left unintended, when we would have destruction and conquest all over the place and end up being total failure like what happen in Red Mountain when the Nords try to invade there. Or be like that Rebel that use the voice to kill the High King and trigger a Civil War we are in right now. Being the voice as well, Tiber Septim practically took the Greybeards advice to south, which that says alot of things.

And again, those hermits know the danger of "taking" side or getting involve affair like war. If they take one side, then they betray the other and be condemn, not to mention it would be annoying to be turn to for help EVERY time if they choose that side and being use as their "secret weapon".

That's fine and dandy. Explain why the Empire should divert resources to aid a non-ally again? And the lesson Jurgen should have learned at Red Mountain is that having the Thu'um doen't make you invincible, or right.

They don't need to. They are allies but don't have to send resource to the Greybeard; they got pilgrims and people living at the base of the mountain for that.

They cannot over abuse the power and and ya, it doesn't make you invincible. That why the Greybeard are pacifist and so secretive with the location of all the voices.

And since we know the Thalmor aren't stupid, their first move would be to eliminate those people and cut off the Greybeards supply, likely through Empire-sanctioned means by accusing them all of Talos worship and hauling 'em all off. I have to admit, I'm starting to admire the Thalmor now - they're despicable, but very devious.

Most likely, but they can't really do that in the open, in either case if the victory goes to the Empire or the Rebel. The Empire still exist with Skyrim and the Thalmor cannot go full force/stealth kill again without them noticing, or if the Empire lose, the Skyrim would act like Hammerfell (but worst as they are way further then Hammerfell) and all Thalmor are dead there.

Remember, its like the time when the Empire control Morrowind; Empire input alot rule there but a lot of native don't follow those rule ie slavery being the prime example and right now with Skyrim and the worship of Talos.