Well like the description says, What do you think the NCR Ranger training was like?
If it was already said in the game what it was like, Please post it because I missed it.

Discuss?

EDIT: And try to keep this as spoiler free as possible.

Probably a lot like summer camp.

The kind of summer camp for fat kids?

Yes, all NCR Rangers used to be chubby.

I would guess more like Navy Seal training.......

Well, If it was anything like what Navy training used to be (Maybe it still is, I don't know..) you'd have to go 30 feet in the water and swim up with your hands tied.

i think they just chose the best of the best out of the regular soldiers and gave them an opportunity to be a ranger.

thats how i imagined it

The lady in the Misfit squad at Camp Golf suggested otherwise.

What she suggested is basically what was said though, sort of how the US handles sniper training, they take the best-scoring marksmanship recruits and send them for extensive additional training.

So what was the additional training?

I mean surely they had certain training for specialized operations.

I mean Rangers are the elite of the elite.

I doubt that it's specialist training at all. I consider, based on what I've learnt in-game, that its more that they are more morally deficient than the general run of the mill trooper, and will therefore act without qualms...a bit like the einsatzgruppen, or death squads.

There's no indication that they are 'elite' in terms of training, but plenty of evidence that they are used to brutally suppress resistance to the NCR.

Organisationally, they seem to be more in line with the Texas Rangers, rather than special forces type Rangers, but without the law enforcement aspect.

I remember a few people mentioning a high wash-out rate for rangers, which implies some sort of training program.

Or a high rate of psychological collapse, which is always extremely high for death squad troops...I think the suicide rate for the einsatzgruppen was around 8% during service, and much higher afterwards.

Killing people always has a psychological cost, and mental stability is a consideration in any organisational selection process.

Comparing the NCR rangers and the SS is a little out there.

Excepting bitter springs of course.

But actually that reminded me more of the Russians circa WWII than the Germans.

I don't think thats the case. You find that one ranger in Vault 3, sent alone presumably, to kill Motor-Runner. Granted, he needed the players help, but individual NCR soldiers are never sent on high profile missions like that. This to me screams specialist training.

Gotta agree.

Huh? Where did you get that from? The only time that would be 25% true is when rangers would meet slavers in FO2. Killing the slavers would be the top priority so few unlucky slaves would end up being collateral damage.

I might be getting confused, but with the comment about their high washout and I am almost certain a Ranger said something to the effect that it was the most grueling training, with the selectiong fo the best of the best for it, they get some training.

Auuugh...I typed out a massive response, but my broadband connection dropped out...

No issue....

Basically, has anyone seen their training in the game?

Washouts occur due to psych potential more than physical ability...true fact. Only 2% of people without psychopathic issues are able to kill and live with it...without undergoing long term psych problems.

My grounding for saying this? 30+ years law enforcement and military work including 10 years special forces (whatever that term is worth, including 5 years intense operations as part of the spec. ops work), five confirmed and legal kills, and 10 years study into the effects of combat on people, including a. Mass shooting incidents (Columbine/Port Arthur type situations); b. Training requirments in relation to killing someone; c. and psychologically recovering someone after a 'kill incident'.

Comparing Bitter Springs to the SS? Mmmmm....which village in Russia would you like me to compare? Or France, Yugoslavia, Belgium, Holland, or even Germany (yes, it did happen...)...or perhaps My Lai might be more to your taste...(Google 'William Calley'...)

I know this comes from the wiki and therefore is an concrete as a marshmallow, but it says 80% don't finish training. http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/New_California_Republic_Rangers

Don't know if it's fact or not, I am not a Falloutologist.

Isn't it true that most physical washouts have a psychological aspect to them?

Every bit of evidence that you can possibly obtain in FONV suggests that Bitter Springs was an accident.

NCR Rangers were originally an anti-slavery movement, which was later incorporated into NCR military. There is ZERO evidence to suggest that they have ever acted as death squads.

Finally, is there any evidence that the Rangers participated in Bitter Springs? All the data I obtained pointed to First Recon and regular troops.

Does anyone know how the Mojave Rangers started out? Is there any data about their prior to their unification with the NCR Rangers?

FO2 New California Rangers or FO:NV New California Rangers? 40 years is a long time :biglaugh:

From my experience in game I've noticed the NCR Ranger Training has a few interesting tactics:

• Firstly when giving support, whenever fighting starts run and cower in the corner. (NCR emergency radio support, both the trooper and ranger always do this :/)
  
• Never find cover, always advance into the line of usually at a walking pace. (AI behaviour )
  
• If in doubt for conversation topics always remember "Patrolling The Mojave Almost Makes You Wish For A Nuclear Winter"

But the FO universe is very different than modern society. The people living the FO universe, even in a place as civilized as the NCR, are likely to have witness or experienced very psychologically stressful events. It may be hard for people raised in an industrialized country to kill people but for people who lived in an environment where attacks by mutated creatures, raiders, and slavers are common occurrences, the tolerance for violence may be far greater. Heck, just look at the Yanomamo, war and enslavement are a rather common occurrence but they're not all psychopaths.

In real life, I thought a statistic was 75% of soldiers aimed higher then the targets because they did'nt want to take a shot, But it was reduced to 55% if they wore helmets covering their faces, And 2% of the 75% shot at the enemy, Hoping that someone else killed them, And there was a chance it was'nt them that killed the enemy.

EDIT: In reply to Gungho1