-Nehrim and Mods-
How to install and manage mods with Nehrim
Problems and solutions for managing two installs

http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1118767-nehrim-and-mods/

Informative threads:
http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1132338-boss-for-nehrim/
http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1116000-mods-that-work-with-nehrim/
http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1115780-how-to-make-a-mod-for-nehrim/

Contents:
1st post - how to use mod tools and manage multiple installs.
http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1159104-nehrim-and-mods-ii/page__view__findpost__p__16995426 - info on how to port mods from Oblivion yourself.
http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1159104-nehrim-and-mods-ii/page__view__findpost__p__16995434 - list of mods that are easy to port or made to work with Nehrim.

Nerhim is a total conversion of the Oblivion game that includes an entirely new world space, plot, quests and can basically be thought of as a new game. Since it is a modified version of the Oblivion game it uses most of the resources, models, meshes, textures, and so on from Oblivion. further, while many things about game play and mechanics have been altered there are still many areas that are not altered and play much like the vanilla Oblivion game. For some this is a call for mods. others may just want to mod the new facets of Nehrim. The purpose of this thread is to provide a forum for both how to add mods to Nehrim and use the mod tools with Nehrim, specifically the English version of Nehrim.

A few things first ... This is not the official Nehrim thread and is meant to give a forum for those who want to mod Nehrim so that they do not clutter the official thread with questions and requests. Please direct all questions about Nehrim that do not have to do with mods to http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1118493-release-nehrim-at-fates-edge-english-version/, which last I checked was locked but there is also their official forum http://sureai.de/forum/viewforum.php?f=81. It is no more complicated than signing up here.

This first post will be about the problems with using Mod managing tools with Nehrim, the second post will concern itself with how to port mods from oblivion to Nehrim, the third post will be describe mods that are Nehrim ready and other resources.

Install Choices
The main choice with reading this thread is whether to set Nehrim up a a stand alone game that overrides Oblivion or as a parallel game that does not interfere with Oblivion. In other words if you want to mod Nehrim then first decide if you want both a Nehrim and Oblivion game playable - if yes then investigate the tool http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1142151-rel-mtes4-manager/. (set it up first) If you don't and only want Nehrim then install Oblivion then immediately Install Nehrim. Doing this will clarify most things as you will see it will create a different install path.and data folder. If you later get nostalgic for Oblivion and want to play it again you can still use mTES4 Manager later - it is just easier to set all up prior to adding mods to either game.

Nehrim Game Contents
If one follows the Nehrim installers recommendations and creates an entirely new game directory then the installer will extract the resources it needs from your Oblivion directory and copy them the new Nehrim directory. These include the Oblivion.exe and the BSA files, but not the Oblivion plugins (it uses none of them). Nehrim will then have its own directory and data folder that is separate from the oblivion directory and data folder. This means that mods can be added manually much like with Oblivion. This is the good news.

The not so great news is that the Nehrim game wants to use the same Oblivion.ini and the save game folder, and the same Plugins.txt file (found in %appdata%\Local\Oblivion\Plugins.txt) which tells the launcher or other mod manager what plugins are active) with Oblivion. This has been the central hitch to being able to run both games concurently. A primary reason for this is that the Nehrim Launcher (once you run the settings tab) will reformat the Oblivion.ini which can make issues for the normal Oblivion game just as using the normal Oblivion.ini will make issues for Nehrim. Likewise having both games share the same save game folder can lead to problems as the last save game has an interaction with the current mods active. Another issue is that Nehrim does not make use of the Oblivion.esm and so some utilities have issues with that esm missing.

More about these below, but first some basics that do work well. These first three topics for those not so concerned with consecutively running Oblivion and just want to mod Nehrim.

Archive Invalidation
Nehrim makes use of a now antiquated method of applying its modifications with the use of an archive invalidation.txt that serves to tell the game which files are to overwrite the files included in the BSA archives. More about this can be found http://devnull.sweetdanger.net/archiveinvalidation.html. If one just wanted to add replacement textures and meshes then a more universally useful way of being able to put the files in the Nehrim data folder and play is to use http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=10724. This is a BSA that redirects the engine to use loose files to overide BSA files. You simply put it in the data folder and then add it to the Oblivion.ini as per the readme. Wrye Bash has this as an option and OBMM also has this function integrated.

http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=2097:
This has been the premier mod manager for Oblivion and the good news is that installing this into the Nehrim folder as you would into the Oblvion folder will give you the Nehrim Mod Manager (well you might have to rename it yourself). It will not interact with the regular Oblivion Mod Manager and you can set it to store it OMODs in a different directory closer to your Nehrim Directory. It is not finicky with the Oblivion.esm missing and so it is the most friendly tool to port over to Nerhim. The only file that OBMM needs to run that is not in the Nehrim folder is the Oblivion>default.ini, which you can copy over to the Nehrim folder. Nehrim will not access this default ini so it will not disturb Nehrim. The one function I could not get to work was the launch the game function. OBMM also has a function similar to Archive Invalidation Invalidated called BSA redirection. If you use OBMM with this set you do not need Archive Invalidation Invalidated. http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=32277

http://obse.silverlock.org/:
Much like the mod manager OBSE can be installed as you would in the Oblivion directory. And likewise you can create a shorcut for the OBSE launcher called 'Nehrim' or whatever. The question then remains whether mods that use OBSE can be ported over to Nehrim. It is my belief that it mostly works with Nehrim. http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1113709-relz-oblivion-script-extender-obse-0018/page__view__findpost__p__16404075 I asked and the answer I recieved regarding OBSE and Nehrim:
http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1113709-relz-oblivion-script-extender-obse-0018/page__view__findpost__p__16411260:
Conclusion: Porting mods (described in the second post) that are primarly OBSE/Script driven and do not reference the Oblivion.esm are the best candidates. Mods that do reference entries in the Oblivion.esm may have certain functions that are not working or working properly.

-The next set are more specifically about porting mods over to Nehrim-

http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=8665:
Can be used normally and you can direct it look anywhere on your computer you like for plugins. This is the best tool for reassigning masters (see post two).

http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=11536:
The most current and up to date version for Fallout 3 and Oblivion found being discussed http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1047128-is-masterupdate-still-necessary/page__view__findpost__p__15191175 and found http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=1925.

There are two ways to use Tes4edit. You can leave it as it is working with the Oblivion directory and move Nehrim mods over to the Oblivion data directory for cleaning and examining, or you can change the directory it examines with Tes4Gecko as described http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1116000-mods-that-work-with-nehrim/page__view__findpost__p__16422983.

http://www.elderscrolls.com/downloads/updates_utilities.htm
As http://sureai.de/forum/viewtopic.php?f=86&t=3453 the CS can work with Nehrim:

http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=20516
BOSS version 1.60+ is nerhim compatible and it will download the Nehrim Masterlist when you run the BOSS update. This masterlist is a separate list from Oblivion.
http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1132338-boss-for-nehrim/ - please take questions and topics about BOSS and Nehrim to that thread.

-The more complex issues-
Here things become much more complex and if any section is going to be updated it is likely this one either because I got something wrong or there is an update. I'm not perfect and I do make mistakes and certainly this has stretched my understanding of the game, so just let me know what I did wrong.

To return to the issues above regarding Nehrim wanting to share the games folder under my documents. I've found that trying to load Oblivion with the Nehrim altered version of the Oblivion.ini or trying to load Nehrim with the normal Oblivion.ini that neither game will work. To resolve this manually I initially made temporary folders for each ini and swapped them out depending upon which game I was going to load.

Another issue is save game folder sharing. By default the save games are found in the oblivion folder under documents/my games/Oblivion (where the ini also is). if one does not use a save game manager or swap save folders manually the save games from each game will be in the same folder. Wrye Bash offers save game profile options to create multiple save game folders. If one does not want to use Wrye Bash then there are a few other save game managers. I use LazyMonk's http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=8678 which can also handle Fallout 3 and can do more than just manage save profiles - it can list masters for saves and renumber saves.

In a sometimes hidden folder (located in %appdata%\Local\Oblivion\Plugins.txt) is the Plugins.txt - this is a list that the Oblivion launcher, Nehrim Launcher, Oblivion Mod Manager, or Wrye Bash reads as the active plugins. If one switches between utilities like the launchers to OBMM to the Nehrim ported Mod Manager and especially Wrye Bash then they will become (anthropomorphically) confused about what is loaded.

The manual work around I've been doing is to finish whatever I'm doing in Wrye Bash and close it or the normal Oblivion Mod Manager prior to opening the Nehrim ported Mod Manager. This way I can reactivate the mods for Nehrim and the normal utiities will not undo this process. If these are opened again then they will deactivate most of the nehrim plugins.

http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1116792-rel-inizer/ is an OBSE plugin that ShadeME designed to address this issue. It can be used with either Oblivion or Nehrim to reassign the Oblivion.ini and the plugins.txt

With this then whenever you want to switch games you will just have to make sure you have the right save game profile as the active one and make sure that you close the utilities of the game you don't want to play first then open the utlilities of the game you do want to play to make sure all the plugins are active then launch that game. If you open the utilities of the other game (that you don't want to play) then it might override the settings and active plugins. This is completely unnecessary and unneeded if using mTS4 Manager.

http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=22368:
Wrye Bash unfortunately is not designed to support multiple installs. It creates settings and folders in several locations and evn if you install it in the Nehrim directory it will impact the normal Wrye Bash settings and vice versa. It also requires the Oblivion.esm in the data folder to even start.

roxahris has been working with Pacific Morrowind and as of version 290+ Wrye Bash will work with Nehrim installed and does not need Oblivion.esm!! More work in this area may be forthcoming for having bash work with the Nehrim.esm.

The next big step:
http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1142151-rel-mtes4-manager/
http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1119357-wipz-mtes4-manager/ - Old thread

From all the issues discussed here and for reasons of inspiration all his own fellow forum goer Gaticus has created the tool to manage all tools. With this tool one resolves all the issues with managing multiple installs on the same operating system. What this simple tool does is add small ini files to the Oblivion, game profile, and associated app data folder. From there one can then clone these folders with unique names and with a few clicks you will be switching entire game installs before you know it.

Warning: Unless you want to clone your entire modded game as it is - it is recommended that you clone a fresh install. The thread details how to do that.

It resolves all the above issues because with each swap there is a new Oblivon directory and associated folders. The caveate being that one would have to also install the modding tools and mods for each new clone. This means that even the INIzer is not needed.

The one area where there is issue is in the fact that the way that Wrye Bash is currently formatted the BAIN folder (bash installers) is shared between the clones when using Wrye Bash default settings. Using he Bash.ini one can repath this directory and for each bash have a seperate BAIN archive. This does eat a lot of disk space and the great news is that the Wrye Bash team is already working on removing this issue by having the location of what BAIN packages are installed stored within the game profiles folder.

I highly recommend the use of this tool which I've found very useful in testing tool and mods as well as now having three fully modded Oblivion games that I can swap between with ease.

Resources:
The http://sureai.de/forum/viewforum.php?f=81 with http://sureai.de/forum/viewforum.php?f=86
http://www.invision.tesalliance.org/forums/index.php?/topic/3057-nehrim-total-conversion-english-version/
The pinned threads of this forum.

-Porting mods from Oblivion to Nehrim-

Many mods are easy to port to Nehrim while others are cumbersome and will never work unless modified.

Relacers:
Considering that Nehrim uses the Oblivion BSA archives most replacer files for Meshes, Textures, Sounds, etc that are meant to override these BSAs should work fine and it is just a matter of installing them in the right file path. I've not explored the Nehrim exclusive BSA archives but the process should be the same. If replacing the music then remember to back up the files as these are not in a BSA and replacing them will mean losing them. The same with menus.

There are reports of success in porting body mods such as Roberts and HGEC on the http://sureai.de/forum/viewtopic.php?f=86&t=1543.

Plugins:
The best candidates for an easy port to Nehrim are Plugins that do not reference the Oblivion.esm. While most mods that have Oblivion.esm as a master that does not mean that this master is always necessary. The quickest way to see this is to open the plugin in tes4edit and look at what records are overwritten by the plugin. If no records are touched then the plugin has the master of Oblivion.esm in name only and that can be changed.

The easiest way to change the name of the master is to use tes4Gecko and edit the master reassigning the master to Nehrim.esm (I keep a copy of the Nehrim.esm in my Oblivion data folder just for this purpose and hide it with Wrye Bash before playing Oblivion). This could also be done with the Construction Set (but don't ask me how) and with Wrye Bash (but that may effect similarly named esp in the Oblivion data folder).

Some Plugins have no master and they should automatically work with Nehrim. These are often game mechanic and script driven plugins.

What will not work is plugins that reference the Oblivion.esm, as well as, other esm or esp not in the Nehrim data folder. So while you may be able to change the master over to Nehrim.esm the plugin will still need to reference entries in the Oblivion.esm and unable to do so could mean that those parts of the plugin will not work up to and including the plugin not working at all and even ctds.

Many esp minimally reference the Oblivion.esm and it may be possible that adjsuting scripts or pointing the plugin to reference something similar in the Nehrim.esm may work to port the plugin. If anyone wants to write tips on how to do that then let me know and I'll add it here or use the http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1115780-how-to-make-a-mod-for-nehrim/.

The following is a cut and paste of http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1118767-nehrim-and-mods/page__view__findpost__p__16491055 regarding mod conversions:
and http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1118767-nehrim-and-mods/page__view__findpost__p__16500972:


Resources:
http://sureai.de/forum/viewtopic.php?f=86&t=3012

Considerations:
As with Oblivion it is a good idea to add mods very slowly and to test each mod you add. It is also a good idea to know what you are changing, just because there is now a growing list is not a prescription to dump them all in and press play. This can be as involved as modding Oblivion and so take your time. I've only averaged one mod every 2-3 days. Some of the changes to Nehrim are subtle and are not easily seen it is a good idea to play a while to get a feel for what is new and what is plain old vanilla. My bias is that I played vanilla and so when I want a new game I don't want vanilla in a new world space, so I focus on changing those vanilla aspects that I find annoying and then add tweaks from there.

A lot of the most dramatic changes to game play can be seen in the character development area. Leveling is based on experience points and not skill ups, so most leveling mods will not work. Magic is also altered and rebalanced with a pretty dramatic pacing put in place regarding the way spells are attained. In short play the game then decide what you want to tackle, assuming you know what to change before checking if it already is changed could get you in trouble.

Optimizations:
These optimization methods for Oblivion should port over just fine into Nehrim. Optimizing is often another form of modding.

http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1112284-inforelz-pyffi-python-file-format-interface/
The meshes that come with Nehrim are not optimized and really benefit from optimizing - as does the original meshes for Oblivion. The linked thread is a comprehensive guide to this process.

http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=23208
By having OBSE working for Nehrim this is easy to install and use.

http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1118450-oblivion-and-memory-usage/
I know this works with Nehrim because when Nehrim installed it pulled this version of the exe out of my Oblivion folder. This is for operating systems that can handle more memory.

Clean your mods
http://cs.elderscrolls.com/constwiki/index.php/TES4Edit_Cleaning_Guide
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Tes4Mod:Tes4Edit#Cleaning_a_Dirty_Plugin
This may not matter for badly ported mods that still reference or duplicate the Oblivion.esm, but in exploring mods Nehrim I've found that there are edits that are duplicates and I've no doubt that as more dungeon and quest mods come out that deletions of the Nehrim.esm will come with them.

-Mods for Nehrim-

This could potentially turn into a very long post and I make no commitments to long term tending to this list. I will start it though and update it sporadically as people post success and news.

I will borrow from Running4Covers list in using colors to code what kind of mod a plugin is.
Green means the mod will work with Nehrim and was designed for Nehrim.
Blue means the mod will work with Nehrim because it has no master and could work with Nehrim or Oblivion.
Orange means that the mod will work with Nehrim after reassigning the master as described in post two.

At this point I'm not interested in posting about mods that only partially work or mostly don't work. Of course there may be parts of the orange listed mods above that don't fully work but the requirement I have is that they mostly work.

Nehrim English fixes and Improvements:
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=34692
http://www.sureai.de/forum/viewtopic.php?f=86&t=3377 (uncertain if still needed but also still listed as a major mod on SureAI forums).

Leveling:
http://www.sureai.de/forum/viewtopic.php?f=86&t=3061 - a leveling mod for Nehrim.
http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=OblivionMods.Detail&id=6446
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=9914 is purported to work.

Menu Management:
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=23404
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=12859
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=31855
http://www.sureai.de/forum/viewtopic.php?f=86&t=3057 - integrates the journal with the interface (will conflict with DarnUI)

DarUI will conflict with NIE above plus you will lose some of the cool things about Nehrim Menus and interface. I would imagine that a version that only effects inventory and other parts of menues and character sheet would be very popular - more so if combined with NIE.

HUD:
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=34890
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=34905

Hotkeys:
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=34613
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=34735 - amazing mod, recommended
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=30673
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=34644

Annoyance Removers:
http://sureai.de/forum/viewtopic.php?f=86&t=3186
http://www.sureai.de/forum/viewtopic.php?f=86&t=3141 both armor and weapon and only armor variants
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=32299
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=32656
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=34894
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=32411 - German mod but it shouldn't matter. There are a lot of spiders.
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=9333
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=17894

Combat:
http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=OblivionMods.Detail&id=6465
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=34887
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=23062
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=25533
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=27947
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=32651

Stealth:
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=34773 - may be outdated with 1.0.8.0 patch.
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=6359
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=34675

Companions:
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=29652

Immersion-Realism:
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=35702
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=35848
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=12074
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=21721 - not 100% sure but reported that it works.

Graphic Improvements:
http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1143824-oblivion-graphics-extender/ - the plugin does not work but loading shaders via the shader list does! Read the thread for updates you won't find on the Nexus download.
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=36437

Homes:
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=34838
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=35101

Other:
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=32324
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=36325

OBSE Plugins that so far work:
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=23208
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=32200
http://zenthought.org/content/project/refstuff
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=26510
http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1116792-rel-inizer/
http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1110112-oblivion-graphics-extender/

Replacers-Textures:
As far as replacers go this is an area that is large and I'm not going to link everything that can be replaced. You can figure it out. Body mods are generally good and realizing that the Aeterna use mystic Elves resources makes finding replacers for them easier. A few special mentions will be included here:

http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1118412-wipz-relz-floralandscape-retexture/ - Vurt has relased landscape textures specifically with Nehrim in mind. Check back for more updates!
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=35454

And again great place to search for more is in the SureAI mod forum and Nexus

With new thread I updated some information in the first post.

If anyone has suggestions on how to clarify information of questions unanswered please post them.

I've been on a break from Oblivion after playing part way through Nerhim and finally finishing the main quest of Oblivion (fully modded at that) and have been playing Gothic 3 with its three main mods. It is a good game. As far as landscape and scenery I find it superior to vanilla Oblivion with its cliff overhangs and open dungeons.

The animations, combat, and other mechanics - not so much.

But I would consider Nehrim a grand attempt at converting Oblivion into a Gothic game. So if you are curious about why things are the way they are in Nehrim check out the Gothic series - especially Gothic 3.

Ok just to let everyone know I have tried Using Shadme's Construction set Extender, if someone else could do a double check just to make sure my testing information is accurate. The results are:
1. 25 - 35 Minutes just to load Nehrim.esm, Nehrim Data.esp, Nehrim english.esp, and Nehrim Improvment.esp. The number of reported possible problems (Not Genuine Problems) was well over 10,000.
2. After about and 1.5 Hours the CS Locks up.

I also had an interaction problems between CSE and MTes4 manager, the manager will no longer switch between the games.

I quote from the section on how to run the CS with Nehrim loaded:


More http://sureai.de/forum/viewtopic.php?f=86&t=3453

I would imagine loading the English.esp is fine to load but definitely the warning is to not load the NehrimData.esp

As for mTES4 Manager suddenly not working when before it did. Did you close all applications (and check in task manager that none were hanging)? Did you try a reboot? Are you sure that you did not change clones while CS was working?

Is it normal that it says "Experience Points: 0/0 0" at my character screen? Have I installed everything correctly? Shouldn't it add +10 etc whenever i kill something? I am only at the very beginning dungeon. Please answer me.

I was kind of thinking this would happen after the official thread was closed. that peeps would start asking about normal Nehrim functioning here.

But even when it was open they were not very attentive to this forum. I've never had the issue and would say that your best bet is going to be asking http://sureai.de/forum/viewforum.php?f=81.

One Tiny Victory I have finally removed the Nehrim sunglare .

If anyone else still wants to do this, create a blank Texture called skysunglare.dds & place it in Data\Textures\Nehrim\skysunglare.dds.

I can now use the Godray shader in Nehrim

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Has anyone got HGEC to work? I get the mesh but the texture is just one big skin color, no texture.

Have you tried http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=35271?

I've looked at its contents and it seems like a shoddy port (leaves all Vanilla Oblivion Races in the contents), but that does not mean it shouldn't work.

Cool so that is where it was ... then using the blank Sunglare from OBGE should work.

Yes but you have to rename it, skysunglare.dds.
I had asked many times in the Nehrim forum without ever getting an answer. I finally found it by unpacking the Nehrim Textures ESM & doing a search for sun.,. There is a naturalenvironments folder which has a sub folder called sky & it has a sunglare.dds but its a blank. The one that matters is in the Nehrim folder Beebee

Do you know what race Nehrim uses for textures?

Well I believe the normal humans you first meet in the valley are imperials, up north are Nords, and the only elf race is a repurposed mystic elf by ren.

None have racial powers and you do not get a birthsign until you go to the arcane academy.

I think if you want to add hi res textures or body mods to the elf you could use anything designed for Ren's elfs, but I'd double check the paths for the resources for that race by opening up Nehrim.esm in tes4edit and snooping around.

I'm using the repurposed mystical elf race then, might explain why the textures aren't appearing.

Has anyone had any luck with an Economy mod in Nehrim?

It shares some of the worst characteristics of Oblivion in the way it's economy works.
I'm in the process of building a new game using Wrye installers & mTes4 Manager for the first time.

I can't recommend mTes 4 highly enough, its really simple to use, even a dolt like me succeeded on my second try & sorts out most, or maybe all of the shared Docs & resources issues with Nehrim & oblivion.

I know Psymon has been telling us all this for weeks, but I just want to give it my endorsemant from the prospective of an old and fairly thick user Beebee

Hi Psymon, I have been looking at the possibility of using progress the ESM only,as a tool to reduce the rate at which I level up, tejon thinks it would probably work well at least load with a change of master but suggests that I talk to you as you have a good understanding of his mods & also of Nehrim.

I also have the problem of finding out what Nehrim's settings are so I have a place to start with settings for the INI file beebee

well I will take it that you were commenting on my statement. let me be clearer.
1. I have tried all combinations example nehrim.esm alone caused all the warnings but everything is in german, so I have to load Nehrim.esm and Nehrim english.esp to get the translation.
2. While Nehrimdata.esp should not be loaded (well sometimes I do have to do it because of what it is linked into, so I dont do that often but I have been forced to a couple of times.
on the matter of tes4manager
I have had it working in the past with no problem but when i installed this it would no longer work I dont have steam for oblivion I have GOTY, I do not use bash to install mods I use OBMM. I have restarted so many times it is not even funny, I have also restarted in safe mode with no luck trying to get it to change.
At this time I have it stuck in Oblivion play mode. and it will not switch back. I have no been playing for a while Nehrim for a while anyway other than to test my mod.
At this time I am trying OLD man RULZE approch. I am writing a bat program to switch my many games back and forth.
But as with many things I just dont have enough time in the day to do this with any speed.

I just saw this ..

I'm not sure what you mean by settings? What settings? Most likely the entire leveling scheme of Nehrim is done with scripts.

Then I see no value in using Progress with Nehrim. Nehrim is an experience point system. Just like in Gothic - you have to buy everything with learning points. So you kill a monster or complete a quest then get some experience points then on level up (from gaining experience points) you get learning points to spend on skill ups. I'm pretty sure your skills do not go up with usage. And if I'm correct about that then what point is there in using Progress? That is what progress controls the rate at which skills are leveled from usage. Nehrim uses a different system.

The level to which you want to change things (as I recall to slow down gaining power) then you best bet is to ask the developers directly on the SureAI forum.

Zornac-
I'm thinking at this point I have nothing to say that would be of any help to you. Most of that was just trying to pass along information I collected - if you can't use it - I tried. Best of luck.

H

H yourself there buddy.

H to you to this site sometimes drives me nuts.
I have had an answer on the sure AI site on how to create a simple ESP to slow down levelling.

This is a quick and easy plugin for anyone who might have CS editor installed.

1) Start editor, file, data and tick Nehrim.
2)Ignore any warnings - click yes to all
3)Goto Gameplay, Settings.
4) Find fSkillUseMajorMult and/or fSkillUseMinorMult and alter value. i.e change Major to 1.00 instead of 0.75 and Minor to 1.5 from 1.25
5)File,save - give plugin a name.


Your levelling should now take about 30% longer.
I have asked him about some of the other setting I would like to change but in the meantime I'm having a really good look at the Game play settings.
Is there any search function it the CS? as there are a lot of entries to sort through Beebee

Was the answer in the form of a personal response or in a thread on the AI forum? If thread what is the link I want to ask follow up questions.

What was the H thing meaning to say?

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Oh wait I see http://sureai.de/forum/viewtopic.php?f=86&t=3280&start=60

I don't think that Hawk guy is part of their team and I'm pretty sure that advice is about regular leveling not the experience point system Nehrim uses. I could be wrong but I doubt it.

I guess I may be fuzzy on it but as I understand it - yes you can raise your skill via use in Nehrim but it does not count toward exp points to gain level at all. They are separate.

Hi I thought that both skill level up's & points gained while exploring added to the total points needed to gain a level. I guess I will have to load up my old game & explore for a while & see what happens Beebee

Don't take what I said the wrong way I was just having a bad day. I got the bat file done it only took about 24 hours to write and test. I am still not happy with it but that is just because of the time it takes to move all the various files around and that is only about 3 min max. It even takes care of saved games and I could if I wanted to (If I used Bain) move that folder where ever I wanted it to.

Also from what I have seen in the game the skills do go up if you use them they are almost like OOO I believe it is 3X slowed down but not sure and I believe it is certain skills that add to leveling up or maybe if it is considered a major skill you get more for a level up HMMM I think I will have to see if that is so IIRC I went up in level after reading a book but that may be just because you get exp for reading stuff. If you want to test it out I would test it out with Alchemy as this is a skill that is easy to test just to see how everything relates.

And to BEEBEE for scripts there are in the Neighborhood of about 20+ scripts just for EXP attached to various NPC's I have seen this and commented on it to you all Now How it ties in to the game I have not FIGURED it out YET. I have looked for a point that everything intersects and works but as yet have not as I said seen it. If I do I will let you know.
I did get a translation and still have an original copy of one of their scripts for EXP Ok it looks like if my EYES are not playing tricks on me on the details for Nehrim.esm Points should be Global (EPlevelUP, EPMultiplikator, EPPlayerLevel, & EPTimer) Now I may be missing something as this is just a Quick glance Looking for EP and EXP under EditorID.
So BeeBee I hope this helps and is not steering you up the wrong wall Below is the scrips for one of the EXP's for npc's German-English-English with some spaces added to help with the translation but only in the short area.