NOOO, i spend all those perks for nothing. : V

» Sat Jun 09, 2012 11:47 pm

Info from UESPwiki

Blocking

"Deflect Arrows is bugged. It sets blocking effectiveness to the maximum value against all attacks, regardless of your Block skill, Shield Wall ranks, or Fortify Block effects. It does not work when blocking with weapons, but if you use a shield, Deflect Arrows renders all other forms of increasing Block strength obsolete."

If only i would have known.

» Sun Jun 10, 2012 3:30 pm

It appears that way. I haven't run the test myself.

But it appears that if you use a shield, Deflect Arrows makes all other perks (and enchantments, or other fortifications) to increase blocking effectiveness worthless.

A very major bug it seems. Seems as though it would have been good for Bethesda to have tested their perks.

Reminds me of acrobatics in Oblivion, where acrobatics was supposed to reduce fall damage - but due to a very simple and sloppy math bug it pretty much didn't affect fall damage in any reasonable way.

» Sun Jun 10, 2012 4:40 am

Well, you "fix'ed" the bug.

» Sun Jun 10, 2012 11:15 am

If you look at the coding for the perk, I'm confused as to how anyone thought it was going to work. The perk's programming tells it, straight up, "when blocking with a shield, reduce incoming damage by 100%" There nothing there which appears to account for the damage coming from an arrow. There doesn't even seem to have been an attempt. It looks like this perk was put together, and the designer in charge of it sent out a note to the programmers that he needed a "if damagesource = arrow" condition, but then everyone forgot about it, and game shipped with an unfinished perk.

» Sun Jun 10, 2012 1:29 pm

It appears that way. I haven't run the test myself.

But it appears that if you use a shield, Deflect Arrows makes all other perks (and enchantments, or other fortifications) to increase blocking effectiveness worthless.

A very major bug it seems. Seems as though it would have been good for Bethesda to have tested their perks.

Reminds me of acrobatics in Oblivion, where acrobatics was supposed to reduce fall damage - but due to a very simple and sloppy math bug it pretty much didn't affect fall damage in any reasonable way.

Yeah, and it has been six years and they STILL have not fixed that acrobatics bug in Oblivion. Baaaad Bethersda!

» Sun Jun 10, 2012 7:27 am

Yeah, and it has been six years and they STILL have not fixed that acrobatics bug in Oblivion. Baaaad Bethersda!

They (Bethesda) never will, but the Unofficial Patch fixes it.

But it would be nice if Bethesda tested their perks.

» Sun Jun 10, 2012 2:07 am

They (Bethesda) never will, but the Unofficial Patch fixes it.

Unfortunately, that doesn't help us simpletons who play on Xbox and PS3.

» Sun Jun 10, 2012 4:07 am

That explains so much now lol.

I wondered why an Ebony Battleaxe from a Draugr Death Overlord on Master did such little damage that I couldnt see any difference in my health.

» Sun Jun 10, 2012 3:59 am

Beth did fix some hardware related problems, then some quest glitch/bugs but they did not feel the need to fix this! Amazing. Now i feel like i want to start over again just so i wont be wasting perks on something as broken as this.
Now that i think about it, im going to spend next ten hours of my life in UESPwiki to check out what works and what does not work and then start a new character.

» Sun Jun 10, 2012 12:04 pm

Beth did fix some hardware related problems, then some quest glitch/bugs but they did not feel the need to fix this! Amazing. Now i feel like i want to start over again just so i wont be wasting perks on something as broken as this.
Now that i think about it, im going to spend next ten hours of my life in UESPwiki to check out what works and what does not work and then start a new character.

The sad thing is, Ive considered this before.

Whatever, I got all the Cheevos, Im done with Skyrim til this or even next summer. Thank the Fates I have Gears and Armored Core.

» Sun Jun 10, 2012 12:45 pm

Even if they fix this it propably wont affect saved games so.......No wander why everyone says master is too easy.

» Sun Jun 10, 2012 3:02 pm

Don't worry.
When they fix that bug, you'll be glad that you invested in those perks.

» Sun Jun 10, 2012 2:05 am

What makes you think they'll fix this?

» Sun Jun 10, 2012 3:30 pm

Yeah, Bethesda does not have a good track record for fixing this type of bug. There is also the Atronach perk bug and the bug with the Elemental Potency, but I seriously doubt any of them will ever get fixed, except of course by the Unofficial Patch.

» Sun Jun 10, 2012 1:38 pm

....But it would be nice if Bethesda tested their perks.

or was it tested and no one listened to the testers? "Screw it, ship it" is not an uncommon occurrence in the game industry.

» Sun Jun 10, 2012 2:45 pm

I do hope they fix this in the next patch

» Sun Jun 10, 2012 2:46 pm

I previously posted about this... Quite an annoying bug, although they would never consider it as game breaking or that harmful being that its benefitting the player. I do hope it gets fixed along with the other bugged perks. I think it was 1.2 that caused this bug however... It wasnt present in original patch

» Sun Jun 10, 2012 11:48 am

So what you are saying is that once you get the Deflect Arrows perk, you needn't invest in any more, right??

» Sun Jun 10, 2012 1:11 am

So what you are saying is that once you get the Deflect Arrows perk, you needn't invest in any more, right??

Yes. Deflect Arrows automatically gives you 85% effectiveness against any attacks, not just bows. Once you can unlock it, it makes Shield Wall useless

» Sun Jun 10, 2012 12:08 pm

So what you are saying is that once you get the Deflect Arrows perk, you needn't invest in any more, right??

Well, not even the bugged Deflect Arrows will stop a spell, so Elemental Protection may still be useful, along with Block Runner and all the bash perks on the right side of the tree (if you are into power bashing) but yeah, you only need one point in Shield Wall. I am not sure about Shield Charge. I read on the UESP that it is bugged as well and stops working after a while. For that reason I am not touching it.

EDIT: Apparantly if you are on a PC you can get Shield Charge working again with a console command. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Block But if you are on a PS3 or Xbox, you are outta luck.

» Sun Jun 10, 2012 3:40 am

So theres a perk im not getting

» Sun Jun 10, 2012 11:38 am

It's nice to find out about this after my character has 5/5 shield wall.

This isn't something that would make me want to restart my character, but if there ever was a way to re-do perks, I'd not pick them up again.

» Sun Jun 10, 2012 12:22 pm

or was it tested and no one listened to the testers? "Screw it, ship it" is not an uncommon occurrence in the game industry.

The 11th is fast approaching! We need to hit the date!

» Sun Jun 10, 2012 3:34 am

I'd never take 5/5 shield wall anyway, 5% (it's actually 10%, another error) isn't enough to warrant a perk, the same with sneak. All the perks after the arrow perk aren't useless, they help movement and magic defence, so you haven't wasted perks there.

With the right blocking path, it's all about bashing, which can be very damaging. I believe you can hit some high numbers (100+) power bashing with a daedric warhammer.

So the only perk you need to ignore is the shield wall one, only take it once. My problem is it makes the game to easy for my shield character, on master.

» Sun Jun 10, 2012 3:25 pm

Theres that, and how daggers are not inked to one handed weapons when you use enchantments or potions to increase damage, there is numerous things that they just overlooked. Or ignored.