I'm playing a Good Karma character.



It's a surprisingly hard decision for me.

I think Elder McNamara is just a stubborn old man who try to protect BoS, I do not think he command those fanatic BoS bastard to kill FoA in the outpost.

If there is someone who give this kind of order, I think it is come from Paladin Hardin.

I also playing Good Karma character, I only kill those who I confirmed they had killed or going to kill people without reasonable reason.

...because of that..I killed Mr. House :sadvaultboy:

Yeah, one of the biggest downers was killing Mister House.

I fall on the camp that think Mister House is a JERK but didn't deserve to die.

He's just doing what the Courier is doing.

Probably why I got bad karma for killing him.

The big thing with Fallout: New Vegas that I could take or leave is that no matter what you do - semi decent and likable people will be screwed over.

Mr. Sandman as many as you can, but don't eliminate all of them.

I guess the ending depresses me a bit.

after finishing the quests and keeping mcnamara in power, i felt that particular chapter has changed. so i never liked wiping them out after that. plus, it seems many members never had a choice to be a member or not, their parents were members, so they are members. there was never a chance at a different life.

that being said, they are still a nuisance and will only cause problems for the region, no matter who is in control.

there is some hope at peace between the bos and the ncr with the treaty, but i find it hard to believe the bos will stay cordial with the ncr after all the bad blood. maybe mcnamara won't wage war, but his successor most certainly will. and given the views of hardin and many members, one can't rule out a mutiny in the near future.

i wish there would have been an option to install veronica as elder, as she seems to really understand how pathetic and obsolete the bos are. then a finishing quest to purge the dissenters like hardin, and that would be my ideal ending for the bos. but as the game stands, i have to wipe them out everytime (after power armor training of course).

I always try in my games to get the BoS allied with the NCR......they seem a little more sensible after the dam then. Once the NCR gives back the ruined power armor suits that is.

Dealing with the Brotherhood just svcks all around. The majority of people inside the bunker are NOT bad guys at all. But the creed that they abide by is just so...infuriatingly...STUPID! They have no common sense, no purpose, they've done nothing but antagonize the populace at large...and can't even have the dignity to die alone, they still are going to cause trouble, pointlessly, in their death throes. And all because the elder members are too stubborn, and the younger ones don't know any better. They don't deserve to die...but if the organization as a whole is going to be a nuisance, what else can be done?

I try and console myself by going for the self-destruct approach and sneaking out with a Stealth Boy. They should be able to evacuate the base in the time it takes to blow, it's not like it's a big secret or anything, the alarms are blaring...I want them to run, I silently beg them to run, to leave the Mojave, find someplace else. But if they won't...I can't be held entirely responsible. Right? RIGHT? :cryvaultboy:

I dunno, I love Veronica as a character but it's fairly clear she also doesn't know much about the real world. I think she'd probably be a terrible elder simply for the fact that, as much as I dislike McNamara, at least he's aware EVERYONE HATES THE BROTHERHOOD. Mister House, Caesar's Legion, and the NCR all want the Brotherhood of Steel dead. With only like a hundred guys left, the BOS doesn't have room to complain.

But yes, one of the cool things is I wonder if Elder McNamara is the last of the Old Brotherhood. It's probably unlikely but given NCR wiped the original Brotherhood off the map, it's kind of terrifying to think that with the exception of the CW Outcasts - Veronica is trying to essentially save sixty people who represents everyone who served the original Codex.

The "Old Creed" being dead.

Should it even be considered a spoiler anymore to talk about BOS being killed?
I mean, it's 3 out of 4 main quest paths. (NCR has two ways.)
Most if not everyone know about it already.

Probably not, but I wanted to be cautious.

But yes, I do find it interesting to speculate on whether the Brotherhood surviving will make ANYONE's life easier.

It seems they'd just cause misery.

Well i decided first time round i would be there for BoS thinking as a Fallout 3 player but second time through im thinking screw them after the ending i had first time through so..DIE BOS DIE... :gun:

I was going to be nice, McNamara. I was going to be a generally good Courier and try to get the BoS set up good and left alone, but you had to screw it up. You strapped explosives around my neck and try to ambush me with a group of Paladins. That ranger you wanted me to "take care of?" He survived. So did I. Together, we might have been able to be something grand, possibly even rebuild the Brotherhood's good name while bringing stability and law to the Mojave. Instead, you had to blow it, you doctrinal primate.

Your days are numbered, numbnuts. And remember this as your precious bunker crumbles around you: You brought it on yourself.

We shall see...-Paladin Kodiak