I don't know how I missed this, but I love how you figure that if people just stop talking about Twilight, it will go away like it's not this giant inexplicable, and consequently inescapable, pop-culture phenomenon. It's not like Beetlejuice where it only exists if you say its name three times.

And vampires are only overpowered if you have a character tailored to their strengths. I only use it for my sneak thieves because they benefit greatly from the Illusion and Sneak increases. I wouldn't use it on my berserker unless I was looking for an easy way to frustrate myself. And werewolves aren't useless, you just can't Leeroy into a group of Bandit Marauders or Cave Bears like you've a death wish. You have to use a measure of strategy, which is awesome because it makes the notion of the hunt more realistic.

not sure if anyone has pointed it out, but Molag Bal was supposed to have created vampires by....um....doing something not very nice with women.....

Unless I made an ultra stealthy vamp who was a nocturnal B-adass

I would agree with what you said if they gave werewolves a sneak option because then you could make a strategy when you start fighting a group of enemies. But instead Bethesda gave us werewolves that are only meant to plow through enemies, which I wouldn't mind if werewolves had some good defense, but they don't and I can get killed in two hits sometimes.

I get where you're coming from, in that werewolves seem like tanks with fur to most people at first glance, but I kind of like their fragility. It prevents the game from being too broken/easy in some aspects. You can easily charge into a group of weaker enemies and take them out if you keep your wits about you and know when to retreat, and if they're humans then you can feed and keep your strength up. But yeah, if you just decide to transform in the middle of town or something and do more than attack a straggling guard, you're likely to become a pincushion before too long. ._.

Pinky's post is pretty much the same thing I was thinking. While werewolves do possess guile and intelligence, stalking the shadows quietly isn't their deal. They throw their lumbering form around and make snap decisions as to what to do and when to rip the marrow from their prey's bones. They don't have a need to hide because they're animals and people who don't immediately see one just figure it's another animal that isn't going to literally tear their head off.

I guess you guys have a point, but they could still sneak in Daggerfall and Bloodmoon, so it made no sense to me that they took that out in Skyrim.

That I do agree makes no sense. I wish they added some more depth to werewolves myself. The totems are cool, but if the moons effected them and such or something like that, that'd be sick.

Yeah, that is my main issue lack of normal werewolf abilities in both human and beast form, like we should have forced transformations on full moons, the ability to see in the dark, enhanced strength and speed in human form.

Interestingly enough, there is a console code for werewolves' night eye, but it was oddly left out of the final product. But yeah, more human form abilities would be nice. Mostly boost to Unarmed because why not. I understand not overloading the typical humanoid player character with broken things when the werewolfin' is what's important, but it'd be nice to be thrown a bone that doesn't smell like wet dog and ear fur.