Order vs. Freedom : Othor Games

» Sat May 28, 2011 12:42 pm

You make one moral choice in Brink: Security or Resistance

One stands for Order, but also for Oppression.
The other for Freedom, but also for Chaos.

It's nice and refreshing, and I hope to see RPGs which use that morality system, instead of "good" and "bad", which are so subjective and getting cliched.

» Sat May 28, 2011 1:47 pm

theres no question. uhm ill just say yes

» Sat May 28, 2011 6:22 pm

Also agreeing with the OP.

Well said. With lots of emphasis on the "RPGs should use this for a morality system" part.

» Sat May 28, 2011 11:50 pm

Okay, cool. :spotted owl:

If this is a Resistance vs. Security thread ... we had plenty of those. And there is no actual moral system in BRINK.

» Sat May 28, 2011 7:14 pm

freedom vs equality

sorry taking a government class lol

» Sat May 28, 2011 6:38 pm

yeah im hopeing more rpgs get into this trend of having greyer stories... i mean really brink has a morally greyer story than most rpgs out there.

» Sat May 28, 2011 11:06 am

Anarchy =/= chaos.

» Sat May 28, 2011 10:42 am

Anarchy =/= chaos.

Anarchy => Chaos

» Sat May 28, 2011 11:10 pm

Anarchy => Chaos

everything can lead to chaos just as much as everything else. The difference is that strict order will always lead to chaos. People won't accept being oppressed for ever, eventually they will take matters into their hands.

» Sat May 28, 2011 7:49 am

Well, Strict Order causes Anarchy which then again causes Chaos.

» Sat May 28, 2011 3:01 pm

Everything is always in a state of chaos, just saying. Its actually partly down to the way the universe is made up.

Anyway, chaos is a permanent state. Nothing is ever not in chaos.

» Sat May 28, 2011 10:56 am

Everything is always in a state of chaos, just saying. Its actually partly down to the way the universe is made up.

Anyway, chaos is a permanent state. Nothing is ever not in chaos.

That is only the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_theory (and yes, the Splinter Cell game was named after that theory, too).

» Sat May 28, 2011 7:58 pm

I know its the chaos theory

I agree with it though, even though things may appear to be following an order they are not. They are stuck in a chaotic cycle which happens to be following one path for a while. And hey, even if a single item may be following a set cycle what if that cycle itself is following another, more chaotic cycle. Then surely the items in the ordered cycle are in a chaotic cycle.

Everything is in chaos. Inevitable

» Sat May 28, 2011 12:02 pm

I know its the chaos theory

I agree with it though, even though things may appear to be following an order they are not. They are stuck in a chaotic cycle which happens to be following one path for a while. And hey, even if a single item may be following a set cycle what if that cycle itself is following another, more chaotic cycle. Then surely the items in the ordered cycle are in a chaotic cycle.

Everything is in chaos. Inevitable

Really? Because if I see a rock just chillin in some dirt, I'm pretty sure that it's not in a state of chaos.

» Sat May 28, 2011 4:30 pm

How did the rock get to that dirt. Where will the rock go in the coming days when the earth has exposed it to elements that will move it. Sure the rock itself is in a calm state. But the surroundings it is in are in a state of chaos.

» Sat May 28, 2011 10:38 am

Really? Because if I see a rock just chillin in some dirt, I'm pretty sure that it's not in a state of chaos.

But look closer.

The particles! THE PARTICLES!!! They're.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlNw5ZuDYsk

» Sat May 28, 2011 10:05 pm

How did the rock get to that dirt. Where will the rock go in the coming days when the earth has exposed it to elements that will move it. Sure the rock itself is in a calm state. But the surroundings it is in are in a state of chaos.

Except doesn't a statement exist somewhere in that book that declares "but if you look closely enough, a pattern starts to emerge" or some other mumbo-jumbo like that? If you wanted to get really technical about it, then I suppose you could say that chaos is ruled by order and vice versa. One can't exist without the other, because without the other the former has no meaning. Chaos and order are intertwined with each other, with chaos eventually leading into order and order giving way to chaos.

» Sat May 28, 2011 9:57 am

Yes patterns emerge in circumstances. But as a whole there is no pattern. If you account for everything you know, each area can have patterns but overall there will be no relative pattern, or at least no easy one to determine.

In the beginning there is chaos. Then becomes order, but the order is shortlived and will fall into chaos. Chaos will always be the start and end. But hell there is no end because the chaos will fall back into order.

» Sat May 28, 2011 2:10 pm

i really do think that this conversation should be taken to another forum. probably a non-video game one

» Sat May 28, 2011 8:59 pm

7........ that is the answer

» Sat May 28, 2011 5:32 pm

While freedom may be a good idea in the short run, order is necessary in the long one.

» Sat May 28, 2011 4:42 pm

I agree with what you posted OP.

I like Chaos, it makes everyday different. That's why I tell people if I had one wish Idk what I would wish for, but it wouldn't be World Peace.

» Sat May 28, 2011 8:33 am

Your faces are chaos. End of story.

» Sat May 28, 2011 7:35 pm

Disobedience is the true foundation of liberty.The obedient must be slaves.
~Henry David Thoreau~

The art of government is to make two-thirds of a nation pay all it possibly can pay for the benefit of the other third.
~Voltaire~

Where "goverment" put "security",it's very clear that there's a rich district in Ark and security is it's police state.

» Sat May 28, 2011 7:20 pm

Disobedience is the true foundation of liberty.The obedient must be slaves.
~Henry David Thoreau~

The art of government is to make two-thirds of a nation pay all it possibly can pay for the benefit of the other third.
~Voltaire~

Where "goverment" put "security",it's very clear that there's a rich district in Ark and security is it's police state.

Ah, a fellow quote lover.

Vox populi vox dei,
~William of Malmesbury~

Una salus victis nullam sperare Salutem,
~ Virgil (The Aeneid) ~

These apply to both order and chaos.