If you add something like resetting perks, it shatters all hope of replaying the game for any reason. I have nine other friends all playing but with completely different styles. If you just reset perks, you lose all of that. I could go from master assassin to conjuration king in seconds, play that style for about 4 hours, and be bored with it. Why would you want to play the game anymore? While were at it, let's add a npc with a item to reset all quests in the game too. That way you can make all the choices in the same playthrough?

First of all, you don't need any Perks to win the game or create a successful character.

Second, Choices matter, make good ones.

Third, there is already a built in mechanism for resetting Perks. It's called loading an earlier save.

You have 80 perks to potentially earn. I think that's more than enough to get to where you need to be; even if you spent a few of them poorly.

As for your comment, "why should anyone care?" I'll try to explain why. The game was designed a certain way. If you allow players to re-allocate the perks that they have selected along the way, you are basically making a massive, fundamental change to the game design. The new game that you would have is completely different from the game that you currently have. The thinking behind the perk system is that you can change direction at any time but you have to earn your way through whatever skill tree you choose. You cannot simply switch off your mage perks and switch on a bunch of combat perks that you never earned. This is an attempt to provide some semblance of meaning and depth to you choices and character progression. It is an integral part of the design.

Now PC players have the ability to go in and alter the game if they really just can't be bothered to play a different character and I have no complaints about people doing that. I do have a complaint about your notion that the game design should be altered by the developer just to appease people who want to be able to do something that the devs never intended for you to be able to do. You want to change the game?; change it. Just don't expect the devs to change it for you. They actually don't want that in the game and they're the ones who made the freakin thing!

Before you say that you have the 360 version, let me just say that buying that version was also a choice (perhaps the best choice for you). This is not a bug. It's a design decision and you should realize that you are attempting to dictate the way that the game should be designed to the developers who have worked on this game for years.

Trust in the vision of Bethesda's game mechanic design? If I am going to put my faith in someones vision I'm going to make sure they are not blind in that eye. Bethesda makes fantastic open worlds, but they are horrific at game mechanic design.

Lots of perks are poorly described, lots of perks are poorly designed, lots of perks/styles of play are broken etc. There are tons of good reasons to allow this, though I suspect there is a console command to do it anyways.

I really like the perks system as it is, because it forces you to think about where you are currently, and where you want to be. In the beginning, I spent entirely too many perks in stuff like light armor and pickpocketing just because that's what I envisioned my Khajiit character to be, a quick and agile thief. Then as I got into the game (and realized heavy armor looks cooler and I lockpick more than I pickpocket) I wished I could've reset them, but it didn't spoil the game for me, I just learned from it.

Although I wonder about the ability to take away a perk from one area and use it toward another?

I'm not telling you to trust in anything. I'm telling you not to assume that they should change it to accomodate your own tastes. Can you call up Quentin Tarantino and demand that he change the final scene in his new movie? Can you call Jay-Z and demand that he change the chorus on his latest single? Why is it that gamers have this sense of entitlement where they believe that the developers' design decisions are not theirs to make?

If you want to change it and have the technical wherewithal to do so, then go right ahead. If you have your own studio, you can take that Jay-Z song and tweak it to your heart's content. You just can't actually expect Jay to do it for you.

Why do you care how others play the game? It is a single player experience and doesn't effect how you play your game.

I agree with this. And yeah its called loading an earlier save, but one must also learn to not reload or they will never experience skyrim. Another method, don't start giving yourself perks until you understand how you like to play. No one said you had to use perk points right away.

Once I realized this, I restarted and i started to enjoy the game, I realized wow, i love destruction spells, i love bows, and I love swords. I realized then that I could have all three. I never planned on taking all of the perks from any of them except for destruction. Then I realized wow...cool I can do everything I want to do because I'm so specific about the things I do with my character. It is an ingenious system when you figure it out.

Just do it in console... Like a Baws

My thought was always more if I could back off one perk to put it in another place. Like thinking I could go from Dragon armor to the right and I can't. I have to go the other way which doesn't make much sense to me. But I didn't allow the points for that since I didn't know. If I was able to back off some other perk I can live without then I could get it other. I do agree that being able to drop them all would give you a more powerful character, but it isn't like this is WOW or another online game that needs balance.

Uh, then why would you have more than one character? Non refundable talent points are the only thing keeping you from being a godmode archer/sneaker/magician/warrior with the best weapons and armor with the best poisons on them. I mean, even with perk reset you couldn't be all of that at the same time, I'll give you that. But if you could train all your skills to 100 then respec them to thief skills to do thieves guild then wizard to do the college quests then warrior to do main quests or whatever... what would be the point of playing the game again as a different class?

If you could do that, you could just switch who your character was at anytime. Perhaps once at level 10, and once at level 20, but that's it. Your character needs to be defined, they can't be a god mode of everything.

My opinion on this is that it shouldn't be introdused, mainly because the game was designed so each choice in perk and health, stamina and magica was permanent.

Well said.
Maybe they used to be good at designing game mechanics... until they took an arrow in the knee.

I didn't start the thread to bash the developer. I was just asking for an addon. Some of us don't have the time to play through the game multiple times. Downloadable content extends the life of the game past the finish not to mention all the side quests that keep the game going for a long time. I

obviously that's you're opinion
one not shared by the developers or they wouldn't have done it
mods are great and everything but you can't deny they often lack a certain coherence

proper dev's are organized, they set design philosophies/standards/whatever and stick to them
sure you might not always agree with it but even you with all your apparent hate for bethesda's game design can't deny that if you want something done right, you should do it yourself
no sense in whining and insulting people who are just doing their best and might have views different from yours

criticism is one thing, but some of you guys are acting like the people at bethesda fail at pretty much everything they do and that you could do it a lot better
THAN [censored] DO IT!
go make a game like skyrim, I dare you
if not that shut the hell up and show some [censored] respect!

The game is what it is until modded. If you couldn't mod it, I wouldn't buy it.

OK, try it like this:

You don't want to reset your perks.

You just think you do.

The developers designed the game the way they did for a reason.

Try giving it a go.

You might be surprised by the result, even if it isn't what you thought you wanted to begin with.


Azrael
The Nord with the Sword

There is already a mod for that so who cares? What other people do in a game doesn't interest me or affect how my I enjoy my game.

I don't see how it alters the game design massively people keep saying "ahh you could be a warrior one second then the mage the next I'm not saying put in a easy reset and the rubbish about "your choices should matter" this isn't real life and I can't test a perk out before I get it so how could I make choices I'm happy with without knowledge of them before I get them.... you have no problems with people using the console to do it so why would you have a problem if it was in the 360 version on some remote island you never need to visit, you could stay on the other side of the map far from the game destroyer you so think this is...

You're still missing the point. People who use the console to alter the PC version are altering it just for themselves. What you are requesting, is that the devs alter the game for everyone. When they created the perk system, they did so for balance reasons and because it fit with their overall vision for the game. You are asking them to change their vision simply so that you can do whatever you want with the perks. That's not the game that they made and I'm guessing it's not the game that they want to make.

I personally agree with them as I think it defeats the purpose of having to learn your way up a perk tree if you can just respec your character. I can understand people who disagree but they need to understand that this would change the game for everyone and not just them. Once you apply that change, everyone who purchases the game from that point on will only experience the new, impermanent perk system and will never know the perk system that was actually intended.

Again; if you want the game to work a different way, you either have to create your own game or (much more practically) mod this one.

First post aside from the OP that actually made sense.
I'm hoping for this option too although I know its actually not really needed.
Don't see why anyone would complain about something thats ''added'' to the game aslong as you don't get confrontated by it every sec or if it would remove something else.

Rubbish.

Since every other method of leveling has been removed from the game these 'perks' have become the ONLY way to build a character..... they're not something that can be forgotten about or not used, they are the ONY things we have to level with.

No they haven't.

All your attributes have levels that increase with use and experience.

Remember you can't use certain perks until your level is high enough in a certain skill?

You have illustrated my point perfectly in your rush to demand something you think you need based on a misunderstanding of how the game works.

We live in a fast paced society that is used to having demands met immediately.

"Skyrim" goes at a slower pace.

Try it out.

You might like it.

Azrael
The Nord with the Sword

NOW that IS silly....no point in that at all. NO one will ever have 50k+ gold unless they have currency cheat mods installed. Everything in the game has to have a reason for being their whether its:

1. To enhance or move the storyline along (NPCs quests and dialogue)
2. To make the game more aesthetically pleasing (landscape NPCS)
3. To challenge players (Dungeons, NPCs (angry monsters)

50,000k gold transaction for a perks reset is as pointless a bicycle is to a fish.