Since the Dark Brotherhood end up having you kill Titus Mede II, is it pointless to join them on an empire character?

Probably yes, unless you joined the Legion simply to kill Stormcloaks.

If you are Pro-Empire then probably yes, it would seem sort of out of place

This character is a big-time empire supporter.

I'm just wondering if killing the Emperor is a supreme blow to the Empire. Seems like I should just ignore/kill them.

I would say no. You can support the empire, and still think that it needs a new leader.

I justified my Altmer's decision by thinking the Emperor was a gutless leader, for the loss of support in Skyrim and for allowing the stormcloaks to become to big.

You know, Gingy, Clemenceau once said "War is too important to be left to the Generals." Perhaps when he said that he was right. But today war may be too important to be left to the politicians. By taking control of the right of succession to the Imperial throne today, do you know what we forced? Total commitment. I will not sit back and watch Thalmor infiltration, Thalmor indoctrination, and the International Thalmor Conspiracy spread throughout our great nation, and infect all of our precious bodily fluids!

general Jack T. Ripper (paraphrase)

Well Amaund Motierre is from the Elder Council, he wanted the Emporer dead, you just carried it out. I'd say no it's not pointless.

I kill him too...

Not at all.

You ar'nt working against the empire by assasinating Emporer Titus Mede. It is inter empire politics. it happens all the time.
The emporer does'nt run the war and his death does'nt affect them.
General Tullius runs the war, not him.
You might even be helping them, the next empress/emporer could be stronger and resist the Altmeri Dominion more. Maybe even defeat them.
Titus Mede seemed a nice and honourable man. Was sad to kill him, really.
I killed Mottiere after, as he asked.

Here's the problem with Titus Mede II: He's a weak, weak ruler in an age which demands strength. Responsibility for the craven false-peace that is the White-Gold Concordat must fall ultimately on his shoulders, as the sovereign of the Empire. Really, laying down and quietly dying when the Dark Brotherhood comes for him came as no surprise to me, as he's taken every affront to his land, his people and his station lying down.

I could easily see how ushering in the replacement of a feeble Emperor with a strong one could be the act of a patriotic servant of the Empire.

My Empire loyalist character is not psychic- she does not know anything about her eventual task to assassinate the Emperor, so no. When the time comes, if she decides to follow through, then that lends a bit of richness to her story. We do not always have the luxury of adhering to our ideals.

This. Once you join the Dark Brotherhood, your previous loyalties no longer matter. Anyone can be a target, if it is the will of the Night Mother. That is unless your chracter decides that their loyalty to the empire is worth more, then you can abandon the DB. As greenwarden said, looking at it from a chracter standpoint can be more fun than deciding beforehand.

That's - actually.... an AWESOME way of looking at it.

I saw Mede's acceptance of his imminent demise as him doing his duty as Emporer.He realized if he remained Emporer it would be just another obstacle to the reunification of the provinces.It's because of this that even though I support the Stormcloaks I carried out his last wish I felt he deserved that much.

PS
If the conspiracy theory that the one you whack in the Bannered Mare isn't the right guy is correct I hope If the opportunity to remedy that situation arises the person is not tagged essential

Well, it was your recent thread about the Thieves Guild that set me to scrutinizing the various factions, and asking myself how I as a player react to seeing my character faced with unsavory choices. Do I roll with them, or do I dismiss them as "out of character"? I understand that wasn't the central idea behind your topic, but that particular strand of the web was what caught me.

There is a lot of emphasis these days on "player agency"- it's a fashionable term-the ability to affect the gameworld, shape it by our own actions. We chafe when we feel forced to do things we "just know" our character wouldn't do. It's understandable. However, as much as I want my character to affect the world, I also want her to be affected by it, and sometimes that means reckoning with things that I dislike, or are simply not to her advantage. That sometimes means forgetting what I know, as a player. When creating characters for ES titles, I try my best not to map them to the nth degree. If there is a long list of things my character would not do, or a long list of things I already know about her, then playing her becomes less like roleplay, and more like paint by numbers.

Anyway, tl;dr: It isn't pointless to join the DB if you're deeply pro-Empire. Allow your character the chance to possibly regret a few things.

greenwarden.... thank you. You have made me rethink my OWN reactivity to some of the Skyrim quests. <3!

Kinda. The only way the DBH will be pointless to join if you don't want to kill another Hero.


I would explain more but Idk how to add spoilers.

You do have to break the oath you swore, specifically to Titus Mede II, by name, when you joined the Legion. If your character is fine with that, go for it. And there are many possible reasons a character might be fine with it, from believing that worship of Sithis means all oaths are equally pointless, to believing that true loyalty to the Empire means violating your oath.

This is posted on the Spoilers forum, so you are allowed to post spoilers.

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Thanks for the input, guys. Some people on this forum have very interesting outlooks on all of this.

To make things easier for your moral compass (if that is the case) imagine the empire as democracy and the assassination of the emperor as......impeachment.

Not at all. My character's a firm believer in the empire, but thinks it needs a new leader. That's why he assassinated the emperor AND fought for the imperial army.

No, not at all. You may have just joined the empire cause you dont like Ulfric even more which isnt a stretch by any means. Besides, it's just business.

Okay, I guess I'll just say it.

There is a good chance that Emperor Titus Mede II is Prince Attrebus from the books. In the books, Prince Attrebus is the next Emperor in the line-up and his father is Emperor Titus Mede I. Also, in the books, Prince Attrebus is known as a coward a lot and if you hadn't notice in Skyrim, Emperor Titus Mede II did acted like a coward, but not as much. (Looking away from you as you do the blow is a coward's move and requesting to kill the guy who ordered his death is another coward's move). Prince Attrebus did had good relationship with Annaig, who is skilled in Alchemy. She could've done something to allow Attrebus to live longer and this answered why he is still alive in Skyrim.

Attrebus does count as a Hero since he was an important person who help stop Umbriel.

So if you've read the books and don't want to kill him then DBH isn't for you. I actually feel bad for doing it....

I chose to kill Astrid for exactly this reason (being in the Empire and completing that questline). Hell, I even wear Tullius' gear. It would be like Anwar Sadat all over again or something. I want to experience the questline as everyone is saying its great, but I just could not do it with this character... maybe an evil one later.