Poorly disguised weapons?

Post » Sat May 28, 2011 4:37 pm

Alright, hopefully im not the last one to figure this out, but the "Hockler" machine pistol's origins are more obvious than they look... I saw the name Hockler and it occured in my mind that it was a very close configuration on "Heckler and Koch", a major firearm company. So i did a small bit of research and quickly discovered that this exclusive pistol is actually the Heckler and Koch MP7A1 Personal Defense Weapon.

The link to HK-USA page describing this gun is below.
http://http://www.hk-usa.com/military_products/mp7a1_general.asp
This link contains information and pictures on the Hockler machine pistol (MP7A1), and the weapons are nearly identical. Is this on purpose? Is it supposed to be this obvious, and if so, why not just title it the "H&K"?

And is it like this for all the guns, because ive just recently started studying them?

-- Alright, so i dont feel dumb about it now, thanks. Either way tough, I'm pre-ordering the fallout content anyways, i guess i should check that out, too
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John Moore
 
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 12:33 pm

Its definitely on purpose. For fun.




- :flame:

Edit: I'm not sure really as to why they did it. But it gives them the ability to joke around a bit with names.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 9:29 pm

Alright, hopefully im not the last one to figure this out, but the "Hockler" machine pistol's origins are more obvious than they look... I saw the name Hockler and it occured in my mind that it was a very close configuration on "Heckler and Koch", a major firearm company. So i did a small bit of research and quickly discovered that this exclusive pistol is actually the Heckler and Koch MP7A1 Personal Defense Weapon.

The link to HK-USA page describing this gun is below.
http://http://www.hk-usa.com/military_products/mp7a1_general.asp
This link contains information and pictures on the Hockler machine pistol (MP7A1), and the weapons are nearly identical. Is this on purpose? Is it supposed to be this obvious, and if so, why not just title it the "H&K"?


They were being clever..? :batman:

Edit: Yeah it's like that for all of them, just look http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1173072-brink-weapon-derivitives/page__hl__derivitives
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 12:32 pm

You actually are the first person to find this out. But it has been well known for some time that the weapons in this game are based on real life ones. There is an assault rifle that looks like a SCAR, an smg that is similar to the Kriss, and a revolver called the "Sea Eagle".
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 5:41 pm

Alright, hopefully im not the last one to figure this out, but the "Hockler" machine pistol's origins are more obvious than they look... I saw the name Hockler and it occured in my mind that it was a very close configuration on "Heckler and Koch", a major firearm company. So i did a small bit of research and quickly discovered that this exclusive pistol is actually the Heckler and Koch MP7A1 Personal Defense Weapon.

The link to HK-USA page describing this gun is below.
http://http://www.hk-usa.com/military_products/mp7a1_general.asp
This link contains information and pictures on the Hockler machine pistol (MP7A1), and the weapons are nearly identical. Is this on purpose? Is it supposed to be this obvious, and if so, why not just title it the "H&K"?

And is it like this for all the guns, because ive just recently started studying them?

-- Alright, so i dont feel dumb about it now, thanks. Either way tough, I'm pre-ordering the fallout content anyways, i guess i should check that out, too


All the guns in game are based off real life guns. How is that surprising?
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 6:54 pm

You actually are the first person to find this out. But it has been well known for some time that the weapons in this game are based on real life ones. There is an assault rifle that looks like a SCAR, an smg that is similar to a Kriss, and a revolver that is called a "Sea Eagle".


Also the Drognav Rifle, The Gerund assault rifle instead of the M1 Garand, Gottlung gun, etc.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 8:54 am

http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1173072-brink-weapon-derivitives/page__hl__weapons

That's a list of real life counterparts to the Brink weapons. Have fun.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 1:59 pm

http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1173072-brink-weapon-derivitives/page__hl__weapons

That's a list of real life counterparts to the Brink weapons. Have fun.


Thanks for the link bro.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 6:21 pm

http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1173072-brink-weapon-derivitives/page__hl__weapons

That's a list of real life counterparts to the Brink weapons. Have fun.


dude i linked that like 4 posts up
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 9:18 pm

They were being clever..? :batman:

Edit: Yeah it's like that for all of them, just look http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1173072-brink-weapon-derivitives/page__hl__derivitives

Thank you, this really showed me some insight on the guns... I never would have had the time or dedication to do all this, but im just happy i found the obvious one
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 4:42 pm

Hmm... Why can't it be called The H&K MP7? There's a little thing called licensing and fee's for said licensing. So by calling it Hockler MP7 it gets the same point across without all the messy paperwork and lawyers. Hope that gave you a better understanding.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 9:40 am

dude i linked that like 4 posts up


I just read the first post. My bad.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 9:29 am

Hmm... Why can't it be called The H&K MP7? There's a little thing called licensing and fee's for said licensing. So by calling it Hockler MP7 it gets the same point across without all the messy paperwork and lawyers. Hope that gave you a better understanding.

But if im familiar with copyright laws, etc. (which im not, considering im not even out of highschool, or taken law courses), arent non-original sound-alikes technically still applicable for the paperwork to the creddited company? Is slightly changing the name seriously enough to avoid legal problems?
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 2:02 pm

Somehow I doubt the weapon names really matter...you think Activision is paying the MAS for using the FAMAS in Call of Duty?
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 7:57 am

I just read the first post. My bad.


Then you are forgiven sir :spotted owl:
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 6:21 am

Hmm... Why can't it be called The H&K MP7? There's a little thing called licensing and fee's for said licensing. So by calling it Hockler MP7 it gets the same point across without all the messy paperwork and lawyers. Hope that gave you a better understanding.

Because by calling it the H&K MP7, you'd have to stick to the original design of the gun. On the other hand, calling it the Hockler allows freedom with the design and you get to make some gun fanatic somewhere chuckle at a clever name. It's not every day you get a gun name like "FRKN-3K Assault Rifle".
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 4:36 pm

The Cesar Revolver is based of the Rex Revolver:

http://world.guns.ru/userfiles/images/handguns/russia/revolver/1287753538.jpg

You may have seen in in Bad Company 1 & 2. Rex means king in Latin and Caesar means emperor. It all goes hand and hand.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 4:22 pm

Somehow I doubt the weapon names really matter...you think Activision is paying the MAS for using the FAMAS in Call of Duty?


For true. If anything it's free advertising.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 8:39 pm

Kross SMG = Kriss SMG.

Sea Eagle pistol = Desert Eagle pistol.

Kolt pistol = Colt pistol.

Maximus Machinegun = Minimi Machinegun.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 7:09 pm

But if im familiar with copyright laws, etc. (which im not, considering im not even out of highschool, or taken law courses), arent non-original sound-alikes technically still applicable for the paperwork to the creddited company? Is slightly changing the name seriously enough to avoid legal problems?

It's just the name Heckler and Koch is a trademarked name of the German company Heckler and Koch. You can call it an MP7 due to that the name "MP7" is not trademarked by Heckler and Koch, the real life design and functionality of a gun named the "MP7" are property of H&K. The title MP7 is an acronym therefore it could have different meaning and connotation depending on the language or it's usage. While the H&K MP7 is Heckler and Koch Machine Pistol 7 the "MP7" in Brink could stand for Manly Pistol 7 or nothing at all. If you notice that many un-licensed (unofficial) names of weapons such as the M16, M4, FAMAS, P90, ACR etc are all commonly used in video games and all do not feature the manufacturing companies name beforehand. It's the same reason that you can't put Mcdonalds into a work without their consent but you could use the term Super Size Me. For instance the FAMAS is an english nickname/acroynm for the Fusil d'Assaut de la Manufacture d'Armes de Saint-étienne, which is why it appears as the FAMAS in multiple games. Also, in counter strike it's referred to as the Clarion which is another nickname given to it by French Soldiers. Basically, it's a way for people to identify that a gun shares characteristics with it's real life counter maybe therefore getting them excited but more importantly to avoid creating new names for weapons.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 6:53 am

Probably so they can have the safety of making the guns they want to make it so people can't say, "Hey, The Heckler and Koch doesn't do that." they can say, "No, it doesn't, but the Hockler sure can!"
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