It was Obsidian's lack of quality control that caused this mess. Bethesda is culpable as well due to their lack of oversight and additional quality standards, but if you're going to boycott someone the bulk of the blame falls with Obsidian, not Bethesda.

that dude really doesnt understand anything does he lol... but besides that I just checked my bugged game file hoping "maybe it'll work" so I loaded it and guess what IT WORKED for 3 seconds, i actually moved my character then that stupid message came across my screen and forced me back to the main screen. So after close to a month of this [censored], i believe its been 3 weeks since I was struck I marched this pathedic excuse for a game back to game stop and traded it in for Call of Duty BlackOps. [censored] YOU Bethesda, [censored] YOU Obsidian you rushed this game to compete with other games and you [censored] up so now everyone well anyone who has the error hates you I REALLY HOPE YOU [censored]S FALL IN A DITCH AND DIE GO [censored] YOURSELF. I rest my case, I have nothing more to say, Goodbye.

PS: [censored] YOU BETHESDA
PSS: Oh and for your guys' information if you think they're waiting on that patch to be approved by microsoft you guys are clueless. It doesn't take 2 weeks let alone a week to approve a patch. These [censored] idiots probably have no clue what caused the bug and they're bumbing around like headless chickens trying to figure it out while lying to everyone. All microsoft has to is check it and make sure its not releasing virus onto their networks, if you dont believe me look it up. At least companies like Rock Star have enough balls to admit when they [censored] up and do something about it, sadly these [censored]ers dont. Now I rest my case, Goodbye.

i gotta tell you Ghost22, you make a good point. but i still believe that the blame falls more on Bethesda's shoulders, only because they should have overseen the type of quality control that was being put into NV, to ensure that their loyal customers were done right by this time. i mean come on, this is not the first time Bethesda has released games that were extremely 'buggy'. Oblivion, Fallout3, but the worst was the G.O.T.Y. edition. Bethesda knew they were using the same game engine to make NV, and should have known that there was a high probability that without proper quality control, NV, could end up being released in even worse shape than all the others combined.

To everone blaming it all on Obsidian.
Lets look at Bethesda's history. First there is this little gem that people seem to forget:
http://www.joystiq.com/2009/03/24/fallout-3s-pitt-players-complain-about-glitches-freezes/

Then there was the whole PS3 Fallout 3 GOTY Edition that was apparently bugged to hell and apparently unplayable to many PS3 owners:
http://www.giantbomb.com/fallout-3/61-20504/fallout-3-goty-for-the-ps3-is-the-disappointment-of-the-year/35-271693/

Bethesda have a very well known history of failing badly when it comes to bug testing. As publishers and owners of the Fallout franchise they had final say on when there game is to be released.

What is very clear to me is that Obsidian were very rushed in this games development. And I am very sure they had removed things from the game due to lack of time. Like the Rock-It Launcher schmetics appearing in the game but they took the actual weapon out the game so the schmetics do not work when taken to a workbench. The wiki site states the developers forgot to remove the schmetics aswell.

I bet a lot of those numerous houses with borded up doors were intended to originally be accessable but they had no time to add interior locations so they just made the houses inaccessable.

To me this game just feels like its been rushed badly. And Bethesda's strict deadline was going to be met, regardless of how much of the game was complete.

I could not have worded that any better Rubix. you made your case far better than i did, and i agree with you 100%.

Yes but the DLC isn't out til December 21st. That's almost a month away.

There is still time for a patch to come out before then.

Obviously if there is no patch I wont be getting the DLC.

No offense( and i mean that sincerely) but i do not understand your point. :huh:

I'll prolly buy another fallout if it comes out, as i do really enjoy the content. But buying a game and then not being able to play it for over a MONTH! Is just rediculous and would be instant death of company if it weren't a videogame. So if another Fallout comes out i'll just wait a month or a couple of weeks and buy it second hand. Ensuring not a penny of my money gets in bethesda/obsidans hands. It's the only thing they'll ever learn from i'm afraid, us customers denying to buy their products.

Bethesda is the Publisher, Obsidian was just an employee working on a project for Bethesda. Bethesda is the responsible party.

All the patching resources should have been dedicated to the save game glitch because that is by far the biggest problem, and the fix for that should have been out weeks ago.

Both company's messed up. But you know what, we did too. How many people on the boards here bought elderscrollsIV? Kotor II? Fallout3? Alpha Protocol? All the games I mentioned had a pool of bad and even game breaking bugs. Manny of them even butchered in playing a good story. I hate these bugs and glitches, their uncalled for. But every time I buy a product from Bethesda or Obsidian, I am fully aware of how bad they can get with testing and unresponsive costumer support

I played oblivion (for about six hours...I love RPGs but hated how boring it seemed (no audio and very few npcs) and the framerate was unbearable. I played KotOR 1/2 but I didn't notice as many problems with those games (other than making something as cool as star wars completely boring) and I didnt have any issues with FO3 until the final march on Washington. That said, nothing prepared me for how bugged out and unfinished NV is. It's crazy to have an A-list title like FO release in pre-beta condition....especially when it arrives degrees below fallout3. Typically, sequels are improvements over the previous game.
Such a shame considering how awesome NV can be. I'm still playing the he'll out of it, but my journey with the game is about to come to an end and as a fan it's sad telling others how great this game COULD have been.

The blame IS Bethesda's. They're the ones that decided to go into production with Obsidian's buggy game. If Bethesda had been on the ball they would've handed the unfinished game back over to Obsidian and told them to fix the issues. They didn't, instead they went into production and the result is the laggy, buggy, glitched disappointing game that's spinning on your system's disc tray.

I owned all the games you mention and had no major issues with any of them, however i realise that i could have been just plain lucky.

But your point of having to be aware of problems from these companies, basically reverts back to the old adage 'buyer beware'.
But the whole point of consumer laws is to protect people from unscrupulous companies who take that attitude and its ridiculous that this issue has'nt been taken up by some sort of goverment body or trading standards.

Software companies have become lazy due to the internet. Release now, reap rewards, fix later, has become their mantra.
But i have a different one which says, when i buy a game, i expect to be able to play it, fault free, immediateley.

You said it! ITA with you.



I guess we should listen to you because you swear a lot, which means you're srs business.

"Whining" is the last thing that anyone here is doing. and you saying nobody cares about the people who are saying they will never buy another Bethesda product again, because they have been stuck with a seriously damaged, and for some, a COMPLETELY UNPLAYABLE game, only proves your pompous arrogance. we did not buy FNV just so we could wait to play it and play some other stupid game like "Farcry 2". with the statement that you just made, it would not surprise me if YOU were still in diapers needing your parents to burp and change you.

obsidian and bethesda can both eat [censored]. how much are they payin ya to post? less posting, more patching, Scott.

This is a hard subject for me.
On one hand we have a development company whom I have nothing but the utmost respect for. They have made some of the greatest games I have had the pleasure of playing but they have also released some of the most glitch-ridden, faulty games I have seen!
From Kotor 2 and it's incomplete maps, faulty skills and broken missions to New Vegas and it's own mix of hiccups there have been some dreadful oversights.
Thing is, to some degree I forgive them as the games they make are excellent.
But then I think of the situation away from games & I imagine if this was a car! It looks great, drives great, but breaks down every few hours and the lights and wipers don't work! Would I be happy paying full price for it? No I wouldn't.
Am I going to return it, no.
I know I could get a full refund as under the Sales of Good Act 1979 you can return an item within 6 years of purchase if they do not (and I quote) ""conform to contract". This means they must be as described, fit for purpose and of satisfactory quality (i.e. not inherently faulty at the time of sale).
? Goods are of satisfactory quality if they reach the standard that a reasonable person would regard as satisfactory, taking into account the price and any description.
But the thing is as I said before, I like this game and am willing to await the patches. Is just a shame it wasn't delayed another month to ensure it was perfect prior to sale.