Why can't you have House win and keep the BoS?

Post » Sun Feb 13, 2011 11:09 pm

I've been browsing various things on the Internet and found out about the removal of dialogue that allows you convince House not to demand the Mojave Brotherhood's demise . I don't know about you all, but I was very annoyed by this. I don't side with House, because of this. So I was wondering, what would be the justification behind the removal of this dialogue?
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Russell Davies
 
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Post » Mon Feb 14, 2011 6:47 am

I didn't like it either but I did it
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Jade Barnes-Mackey
 
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Post » Sun Feb 13, 2011 11:32 pm

Because it's nonsensical to have House ally with the BoS. For one thing he really doesn't like them, but that's ok if they were good little boys who did what they were asked (as to why he doesn't like them, talk to him about it, it's humorous but follows similar reasoning to mine and others..."they're ridiculous"...)
Thing is, they aren't good little boys, they're technophilic terrorists. Attacking anyone who has weapon tech to claim it for themselves and use on others to get more weapon tech. If it can be used in war they want it. House has an army of robots, capable of self repairing, equipped with missile launchers and gatling lasers and generally making sentry bots look old news. He also has a supercomputer housing fortress with anti-air and anti-missile capabilities.

You think the BoS will just go "Oh ok lol let's be buddies!"
Nawww, they'd want it all, even if they did, weirdly, ally with him and his robots, they'd still want to kill him and take control of (or, should they be unable to, kill) the securitrons.

I'd have liked the dialogue in, but it is a bit of a stretch, the BoS stand against House in so many ways it's ridiculous and House rightly sees them as a very large future threat. As he puts it "It's a war I would win, but I'd rather sidestep it all together" (Ad verbatim)
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Post » Sun Feb 13, 2011 9:43 pm

Personally I think the main reason for taking that option (and others) out is so there's no real cut-and-dry easy, happy, decision to be made no matter who you side with. No matter what you choose, nothing's black and white, which makes you have to think more about who you're siding with. That's my 2 caps anyhow.

*edited for typo
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Post » Sun Feb 13, 2011 8:40 pm

Because his rigid, megalomaniacal nature prevents him from being reasoned with on certain issues.
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Sarah Kim
 
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Post » Mon Feb 14, 2011 12:00 am

Because his rigid, megalomaniacal nature prevents him from being reasoned with on certain issues.

Same with the BoS. They want House dead and his army and guns for themselves. If House would ally with them, they'd most likely stab him in the back.
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Post » Mon Feb 14, 2011 3:02 am

"Because they're ridiculous!" - Mr. House
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Josh Lozier
 
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Post » Mon Feb 14, 2011 9:26 am

http://www.newvegasnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=37729
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Andy durkan
 
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Post » Sun Feb 13, 2011 9:50 pm

"They're Techno religious zealots who have nothing better to do."- Mr.House

Self Explanatory?
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Post » Mon Feb 14, 2011 5:12 am

Same with the BoS. They want House dead and his army and guns for themselves. If House would ally with them, they'd most likely stab him in the back.


I'm not so sure about that. After all, it is possible to negotiate a truce between them and the NCR, and there's a lot more bad blood there than with House. Though we don't actually know what the Brotherhood's response would have been, since House never gives you the chance to negotiate to begin with.

I can see how House's reasoning would make sense if you helped Hardin take over, but Mcnamara's a reasonable enough guy who does seem like he'd be willing to consider a truce.
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Post » Mon Feb 14, 2011 10:12 am

Caus house is a dictator who wants total power and refuses to listen to others. Sure he listens to the courier if he works for him, but who wouldnt. House is too arrogant to ally with the BoS. And he is a pretty terrible dictator. He killed off the kings when they helped the NCR clean up freeside. Its obvious the kings wernt actually providing military support for the NCR but house still had them killed. And he seems all to quick to mass murder an entire group of people. Does that tell you anything about house?
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Post » Sun Feb 13, 2011 11:48 pm

It was originally going to be in, but since House is able to have the arguably best ending if do quests the Very Good way. So they took the option out to add that gray factor, but since I hold no love for the Brotherhood beyond their tech, I wasn't to upset to do it. Better I side with House than a bunch of sadistic, power armor wearing tribals. :disguise:
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Post » Mon Feb 14, 2011 2:38 am

I'm not so sure about that. After all, it is possible to negotiate a truce between them and the NCR, and there's a lot more bad blood there than with House. Though we don't actually know what the Brotherhood's response would have been, since House never gives you the chance to negotiate to begin with.

I can see how House's reasoning would make sense if you helped Hardin take over, but Mcnamara's a reasonable enough guy who does seem like he'd be willing to consider a truce.

They did make a truce, but we didn't see what happens when the BoS starts getting back on their feet.
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Post » Mon Feb 14, 2011 5:43 am

I can see how House's reasoning would make sense if you helped Hardin take over, but Mcnamara's a reasonable enough guy who does seem like he'd be willing to consider a truce.
It's important to remember that "truce" is not the same as "peace." Just take a look at the Korean Peninsula for a large scale version.
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Post » Mon Feb 14, 2011 4:20 am

Caus house is a dictator who wants total power and refuses to listen to others. Sure he listens to the courier if he works for him, but who wouldnt. House is too arrogant to ally with the BoS. And he is a pretty terrible dictator. He killed off the kings when they helped the NCR clean up freeside. Its obvious the kings wernt actually providing military support for the NCR but house still had them killed. And he seems all to quick to mass murder an entire group of people. Does that tell you anything about house?


How is he a dictator who wants total power? he wants to KEEP control of Vegas which he already has. Its the NCR and the Legion who are invading trying to conquer the region. In the long term Houses plans to develop new technology which would put him at war with the western brotherhood. There can be no peace between them because there both after the samething. The Brotherhood and the NCR went to war over technology do you really think the Brotherhood won't begin a war with House over the exact same issue.

As for the Kings, if they ally with the NCR and House expels the NCR why should he let the Kings stay? The NCR wipes out the Kings if they don't fall in-line behind them so how is house any different in regards to how he treats the Kings. If you intend to side with House ignite war between them and the NCR and House rewards The Kings with continued dominion over freeside. Don't blame house for your own failure to keep the Kings looking good in the eyes of house.
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Post » Mon Feb 14, 2011 2:08 am

How is he a dictator who wants total power? he wants to KEEP control of Vegas which he already has. Its the NCR and the Legion who are invading trying to conquer the region. In the long term Houses plans to develop new technology which would put him at war with the western brotherhood. There can be no peace between them because there both after the samething. The Brotherhood and the NCR went to war over technology do you really think the Brotherhood won't begin a war with House over the exact same issue.

As for the Kings, if they ally with the NCR and House expels the NCR why should he let the Kings stay? The NCR wipes out the Kings if they don't fall in-line behind them so how is house any different in regards to how he treats the Kings. If you intend to side with House ignite war between them and the NCR and House rewards The Kings with continued dominion over freeside. Don't blame house for your own failure to keep the Kings looking good in the eyes of house.

He doesn't try and kill them initially either, he intends to evict them from his Vegas (oh come on, it is his). They refuse and as the King so well puts it; The Kings, defiant to the end, were destroyed to the last man by House's securitrons.
Not saying it's ok because he just wanted to evict them mind, just that it's not like he went all psychopathic.
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Post » Sun Feb 13, 2011 6:26 pm

They did make a truce, but we didn't see what happens when the BoS starts getting back on their feet.


We sort of did, they clearly negotiated a more serious ceasefire because the NCR returned all captured T-45b suits and the Brotherhood began patrolling Route 95 for them.
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Post » Mon Feb 14, 2011 1:32 am

I think we all more or less have it.

House is inflexible about using his weapons technology to keep control of Vrgas.
The Brotherhood is inflexible about having all weapons technology under their control.
Sooner or later, one is going to kill the other. House is just telling you to do unto others before they can do unto me.
It svcks, but it makes sense in a depressing way.
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