Exactly. Science has yet proven or refuted anything about afterlife, or whatever you want to call it, hell not even life. That doesn't mean we cannot, but time will tell, perhaps in several milleniums.

I had several supernatural encounters that could not be explained but that doesn't make me believe in magic. Supernaturals are simply undiscovered naturals. There is so much humankind still have to learn.

Definitely creepy, but yeah, there's probably a mundane explanation. I don't really believe in the supernatural...I just believe there are things happening in our universe that we can't (yet) explain. I mean, things like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_entanglement exist, and that's not even the weirdest "sciency" thing that comes to mind. If that isn't proof that we as a species know very little about how the universe and its various aspects work I don't know what does.

I would like to think I believe in ghosts, confusing, I know. Some stories seem honest and beyond explanation, and what really comes to my mind is when my parents were telling me of their friends house, things like how sometimes after a shower with steam on the mirror a hand print would appear. Now, my parents aren't stupid, and they are definitely not liars. However, I've never seen or had the chance to see anything paranormal, myself.

I believe in demons. Not ghosts. I've had some experiences of my own, and my parents had a run in with a Ouija board. (Don't touch them!) If I were in your friend's position, I would get the hell out of that house, at least for a while.

It is very possible that one of your phones is malfunctioning or you're experiencing interference of some kind, but what you've described sounds too clear for that.

I love the open slogan for Scourge.

Science made us gods, before we can be man.

This thread intrigues, and I'm not quite sure why. I don't really believe in superstition, the super natural, or anything like ghosts and demons. Ouija boards especially I think are bunk, they're much too easy to manipulate (I had two of my friends convinced they talked to a ghost for quite a while, but I thought they knew I was just messing with them). I've had a few run ins with odd occurrences, most usually come with a rational explanation. I also occasionally get http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypnagogia even when I'm not going to sleep sometimes. This made my first encounter with the shadow person phenomena quite frightening.

I've had only one occasion that even comes remotely close to being unexplainable to me. I was sitting on my computer desk, and I had an odd mood strike me, as is prone to happen (with my choice of hobbies). I was day dreaming through my thoughts when I had this odd feeling that I wasn't quite alone. It was then that I felt an incredible coldness coming from underneath my desk, yet what was odd about it was how this chill seemed to be confined to this very specific area. If I was near the wall it was normal, the desk was normal, near my computer was normal, but this area in between was freakishly cold, and was colder than would seem possible for the time. I have never encountered this before or since, and given the close proximity to my computer this area is usually at least a tad bit warmer. So the combination of unexplainable coldness and this weird mood that struck me almost at the same time kind of threw me for a loop. It could have just been a draft or something, but it was just so bizarre and static I'm still a bit confused by it.

I've had more than my fair share of weird things happen to me, some still happen fairly frequently, but it doesn't really bother me. IMO, what isn't present on this plane cannot really harm you, but that's just my own weird theory. I don't take the supernatural seriously, though I don't discount it either. As is my philosophy for everything, no matter how unlikely the probability, there's always room for possibility. I just don't waste my time with the things that don't seem very likely.

This is me.

There's more 'tween the heavens and earth than Horatio's bleached bones..

I'm well aware of this, my friend. The thing is, they're not very precise transmitters, and in most cases nothing will come of it. I figured (correctly, apparently) that this had nothing to do with ghosts, because odds are rare that freaky [censored] will go down with a Ouijah board. If it were quite as widespread as it sounds that these boards acted out, then they wouldn't be selling them as toys.

But, anyways, on to ghost stories.

I've seen some very odd things. Generally out of the corners of my eyes, stuff like that. Recently, though, my mom had this thing where she'd hear someone coming up the stairs and just... wait outside her door. Of course, none of the doors in our house were forced open, all the windows were locked and untampered with, and this happened for several nights. So, yeah, it was rather creepy.

I think some posters had missed the point here. It doesn't really matters what you believe. Calling Blackhand4 a nutjack is most definately a convenient answer for his experience, does that mean you are logical and scientific for refuting him? Not at all.

Not a single one of us heard the screams he described. Until you've really heard it, you are blind guessing, science doesn't blind guesses, it assumes. Assumptions could be refuted and/or proved. Believing he's hallucinating is still a belief, not science. Science doesn't believes, it proves and deduces in attempt to find an answer. "Nothing is impossible. Everything is permitted." quoting from Assassin Creed

The only sane way to look into his experience is provide our scientific assumptions, not refuting him right off the bat with your believes. That's not scientific nor logical at all. Picking up radio signals is highly possible, unless it occurred in every single possible ways to attract Blackhand4's attention in a way that follows his current actions. If it response and reacts to the mind, then we could think of the possibility something is up in his brain. ESP is still an interesting topic. It is supernatural and superstition when you are too lazy to explain it, not that it's bad though, just don't call yourself logical.

So Blackhand4 I think there needs to be more observations. I'd love to hear more findings from you, sounds exciting. It is horrible when you've seen or heard something really bad and nobody believes you. I personally had weird experience like you, but I assumed it was probably someone upstairs watching thriller movies, even though the sound was too close to be from other side of a ceiling. Alas it didn't last long enough for me to attempt to find an answer, nor was it really that important.

Look, I hate quoting people but I don′t know if there is any better way to explain this. Every mystery that has ever been solved has turned out to have a reasonable explanation for it, not magic. There is a reason for everything and back in the days who would have thought there would be a thing called Sleep Paralysis ? Or who would have thought people with Epilepsy actually had some medical condition rather than being possessed by demons ? It′s awfully convenient to throw in the supernatural tag when we don′t understand something but with not a single proven account of anything magical or supernatural on this planet you have to wonder if a data of 0 is sufficient to even suggest it may be true.

Sure we can go all philosophical and say that perhaps there are ghosts but they′re just so darn smart that they don′t let themselves be explained. I′m gonna go on a limb then and say the flying spaghetti monster has never been studied because it′s too magical to get caught. If you can have ghosts and supernaturals then I can have a tasty flying spaghetti monster.

Now I don′t think (I may be wrong though) anyone was being serious when saying he was nuts, more like saying it in a joking manner. But disproving him is something we′d (at least I) would do to put his mind at ease, not to make him feel silly. Heck, even I myself (yes, I, the dude that has been spouting all of this anti-ghost stuff) have had some freakish moments but examining them and getting an explanation for them has always put my mind at ease.

Edit: Just thought I′d mention that the only reason I made this post was because you were suggesting the thing that was freaking the OP out may actually be true, I′d rather make certain he understands that there is no chance at all of it being true. Wouldn′t want him missing any sleep over it

Noone takes me seriously when I tell them this, but I was staying in a fancy hotel a few years ago. It was one of these hotels with a grand staircase. Anyway, I came into the lobby late one night, and as I was walking up the staircase, I saw what appeared to be a triceratops go past me. I near [censored] myself.




Another time, I was staying in an old cottage in a town in Wales called Llangollen. One evening while I was walking my dog up this big hill covered in trees, I heard a strange noise sort of like an old gate creaking followed by the rattle of a chain. I looked around, and there appeared to be nothing that could be making this noise. My dog started to bark and whine, and the noise seemed to get louder in response. It seemed unusual at the time, but I didn't think much about it.

Later that evening I was bored and started looking through some old books in the cottage, and came across the following story:

- source: www.llangollenmuseum.org.uk

If I had heard this story before going up the hill, I probably would've attributed the noise as simply being my mind playing tricks on me... sort of like how people who know about the loch ness monster see ripples in the water as something else when they visit loch ness. But reading the story afterwards creeped me out a little.

Can you be more specific about this? Was the animal spectral or did it appear solid? How big was it? Did it vanish or turn a corner? Did you see it in the blink of an eye or did you get a straight on look at it?



So you think you heard the swinging of the gibbet?

I have a few Scooby-Doo stories to share; whether the cause of them was ghost n' demons I'm not sure, but I stand by all these accounts of weird goings on.

1) The most recent was last summer. I was working for a mail-order company, which was housed in an old 17th century building. There were only a few of us who worked there, but nealy all of us had seen or felt weird things happen, the most common of these was hearing footsteps from the floor upstairs, or picking up the smell of burning. In the last few months of the business, during the summer, we moved our main office up there, and I went in at the weekend when it was quiet to sort out the computer network. I then started hearing footsteps from upstairs, and thought nothing of it as the landlord was sometimes in the top floor. Then they got louder and heavier. I went to investigate - nobody was there, but I couldn't rule out that he hadn't been in. So I return to work. About an hour later, I hear footsteps again, but this time from the adjacent room. Nobody was in there, an I felt a bit unnerved but carried on. Then I became really freaked out when they started echoing round the room I was in, and my desk and the ones adjacent to it started shaking with some unseen, violent force.

2) This is the weirdest thing I've seen, and it happened when I was about 9. My family had gone on holiday to Wales, staying in an old, damp rented holiday house. As soon as I entered the building it felt wrong. My sister also felt uncomfortable there, so we decided to share the twin room (she was 12 at the time). On the first night, we couldn't get to sleep as there was such a feeling of dread about the place. It had become dark, and we were just about losing patience trying to fall asleep, the wallpaper on the far wall bulged out and rippled the entire length of the wall, as though there were something, or someone, behind it. We bolted from the room like startled rabbits, and didn't dare set foot in it again, instead opting to sleep downstairs.

I recently quizzed my sister about this, wondering if I'd imagined or embellished it in any way, but she remembers it exactly as well, and the memory of it still freaks her out. Can't say I'm overly fond of it either.

It seemed more blurry than spectral or translucent. It was pretty big - taller than I am, and wider than a cow. It didn't appear immediately in front of me, but to the side of me out of the corner of my eye. I turned my head quickly, as you do when you see something out of the corner of my eye, saw it, turned and looked again, and it was gone.

Maybe I was hallucinating. It was pretty late at night.



Yes.

Freaky.

Oh yeah, that reminds me of a similar thing I'd completely forgotten about. It was at my parents' house, back when I was still living there, and although a modern construction it often had an uncomfortable feeling about it. One time they were on holiday I had some friends round and we were just chatting and watching TV when we heard footsteps upstairs. This was unmistakeable, it wasn't floorboards creaking or anything like that, we could hear this regular pacing moving from one corner of the upstairs to the other, with the heavy sounds that you really only get from footfall. All three of us heard it and independently came to the same conclusion, so it was no flight of fancy or talking it up in any way. Upon investigation perhaps unsurprisingly there was nobody there; there was no other way into or out of the house, so it remains a mystery. I'm not really sure how I slept that night. Happily, that's pretty much all there was, it wasn't as unpleasant as your experience.

Curiously, the random unpleasant feelings and odd noises diminished over time, apparently in line with my parents modernising the house to their own tastes. By the time they extended it, the weirdness stopped altogether.

Hmmm, Can't say I have had any experiences to that extreme, but I have had experiences with shadow persons before (quite often in fact), and even one experience with shadow people. My most recent experience was just a few weeks ago with a shadow person, quite creepy, but what can I say I'm used to their visits now. And no, they're not hallucinations, because last time I checked hallucinations can't touch you and there have been instances where I and someone else see them at the same time.

Anyways, it sounds like you have a banshee of a ghost living with your girl friend and is just messing with you. Demon's are usually far more hostile than what you're describing. (granted that's if you're gf isn't messing with you).

The mind can make you think you′re being touched, there is a rather simple trick to replicate this. Put your hands horizontal in front of you with the palms of each hand facing each other and keep your palms flat. Get a partner to do the same and put his hands the same, either around your hands or inside of them. But for best result for yourself have your partner put his hands around yours. You then push against the hands of each other, while making sure not to bend your palms, have to keep them flat, and you make sure neither of you is over-powering the other, your hands should stay at about the same place the whole time but you should be applying force against each other so that you′re using your muscles but without moving.

After about 20 - 60 seconds of standing like this remove your hands by taking a single step backwards without moving your hands from position, if you were the one trying to move his hands apart from each other, then you should feel the shape of a ball in your hands if you try to slowly bring them together, if you were the one pushing you should feel a slight tug at your hands pulling them together.

That is an example of your mind feeling like something is there yet there is nothing there. I would not put it beyond the mind to be able to imagine the touch of a ghost or a monster. Two people seeing the same ghost at the same time is probably just a case of the two of you hyping each other up too much and you start to think you′re seeing it.

There are no banshees, no ghosts, no demons and I think it′s high time everyone stopped scaring the OP. Really there is nothing there to be afraid of so it′s bad if he′s getting all freaked out over nothing, in fact it′s just silly. I get the feeling some of you here don′t even really believe in the stuff you′re saying but are just trying to freak out the OP a bit.