I used to make ill considered rants without breathing.. but then I took an arrow to the knee.

I completely understand that you will never be able to get all the bugs out of a game this huge... but I'm sorry if I do expect the MAIN FOCUS OF THE GAME TO WORK PROPERLY... I am a big bethesda fan and I know they are working hard.... but from their posts is sounds like they are working hard to push this creation kit crap out when they should worry about fixing the main quest arcs before doing anything else... it is amazingly frustrating to play 100 hous only to find out I can never cure being a werewolf or complete the last half of the story arc... I apologize if I expected at least that much. I will know to not expect half that and wait 6 months after release before buying the next game from them...

Cerddor, perhaps you could tell me how that was "ill considered"? I imagine you haven't had any of these catastrophic bugs happen to you after puttin 100 hours into a game have you? Id imagine you might be kinda sore after waiting a year for a game and then spending hard earned money on a game only to find out I gotta wait until january to finish some of it... if you can explain how it is "ill considered" to state the obvious truth than you sir have got to be the smartest man I've ever replied to.. I'm waiting for that explanation...

I used to be tolerant, but then I took an arrow to the knee

The level of incompetence is even more amazing on the other end.

There are some seriously emotionally troubled and angry young lads around on this forum.

Ok fellas how about I sell you something I claim works but just turns out to only partially work... I don't think it makes me emotionally troubled or any such thing to expect a finished and complete game that I can play from start to finish without waiting 2 months after I get it... if you bought a new car and it broke 3 days after you drove it off the lot wouldn't you be angry? It doesn't matter if it is a 60 dollar game or a 60000 dollar car... you should expect to get what you pay for and I didn't pay for a game where only some of the quests function like they should... you people that are ready and willing to bend over and take the crap they dish out are the reason they continue to do it more and more with each game they make... and its not I who should be ashamed but rather the spineless sheep that follow the shepherd to slaughter without a second thought should be ashamed.

Yes, I think you have the right to a working product. To use your example, if you sold me something that some what didn't work (especially in the software field, since we are applying this to a game here) and you didn't fix it in a timely manner I would be mad. Other than that, I would just let you fix it and leave you alone. If it was a holiday, I would say "Oh well, people deserve a holiday". If you said "We are working on it and plan on starting to release updates at (x) time" I would wait until then and complain if it didn't happen after it didn't happen. Until then I would wait.

They aren't trying to scam anyone. Give them some time to fixed it. Jan isn't that bad. Furthermore, Bethesda has a history of releasing buggy games. A history. You bought the game having the resources available to you (if you had done some work) to know this, and then choose not to buy the game.

Do some research before you buy, I bought knowing full well it -might- not work for me but in the past they have had a good record with my machine so I took the risk. If the game didn't work for me, I would honestly just say "Well, I guess I'm done with Bethesda" unless they fixed it. If they fixed it, I would always wait until they picked up the pace and watched what they do before I buy it.

The bottom line is, it takes time to fix games. It takes time to track down the bugs in the first place, and some of the bugs might be dependent on a specific chain of events only a specific number of people have done based on how they played through the game.

You all complained, and were justified, when they would not reply. You pitched a fit on the forums, they finally gave you a response. Now you're complaining that's not good enough. You all need to svck it up and wait, your game isn't going to get fixed right this second no matter how much you complain about it. If after some time into Jan they don't start fixing it, and don't start saying stuff (I mean some actual time, not a day or two) then continue complaining.

Edit: Also, FYI, the creation "kit" (I always thought it was The Elder Scrolls Construction SET? anyway) is not crap. A lot of people are waiting for that too, and there is a much smaller team working on it than fixing the game I'm sure. This is the problem with some of you people, and you make the mistake in MMOs too. People go to EVE, see them working on a new website and think the -whole- development team is focused on making a website. It couldn't possibly be they have teams of people dedicated to tasks and delegate the tasks accordingly.

I couldn't agree more Coreinsanity .

I have been scanning these forums for the past week, all I see are spoiled gamers, that are not happy because there not getting instant gratification. Welcome to the real world folks. This happens in all facets. This is just a game folks. Just a game. If I was Bethesda, my note on the blog would've said something like " We have been developing this game for years. We are aware that there is broken code and data issues. We will be working on them, but first we need a breather. If you don't like it, deal with it. If you can do better I have 60.00 ready to spend". If alot of you think crying poor me is going to get you results, well your in for a rude awakening. Enough is enough.

These developers have spent more time away from their families building this stupid game, if they want/need time off for the holidays, I'm more than willing to give them the patience and support they most definitely deserve.

@Belgarath:

Just fyi, the CK is not for a tiny percent of their customer base. Also, just fyi, the MAIN POINT of a TES game (or other Beth games, for that matter) is NOT quests, but rather open world exploration and role playing.

In other words, if you bought the game in order to "solve" it or "complete" it in some way through doing quests within the game, you missed the entire point of the game.