[Input] Build my PC

Post » Tue May 29, 2012 11:18 am

Okay PC experts,

Here's the deal, I need a gaming computer. My current rig hasn't been able to satisfactorily handle games since 1998 (thats not a joke) and I've decided its time to build something with some "oomph". The point of this topic is for the computer experts here to have input and help me assemble a rig thats capable of handling everything thats thrown at it, specifically with Skyrim in mind (running on Ultra with a ton of mods installed and holding a stable 35+ FPS). Since we're starting from the ground up, I'm looking at suggestions on every component of the PC.

Money isn't an "issue", but I'd like to keep it under $2500 if possible. Once I get a few suggestions I'll keep a list of selected components in the thread here as well as a total cost to date.

As a side note: This computer may be an attempt to build one of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtufuXLvOok.
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Post » Tue May 29, 2012 10:47 am

My only comment would be, that it is important not to immerse HDD's into anything, although SDD's might be OK.
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Post » Tue May 29, 2012 1:35 am

Want the 'takes no prisoners' best video card for a game like Skyrim? Not just power but vram, the 7970s are currently the big cheese on that front and the cards I'm using were the ones before them. The biggest question you'll want to answer though before any sort of preceeding is what are you going to make that computer display upon? A single run of the mill monitor, or something cooler. Oh and whether you're already got your display or whether that's factoring into things too.

ED: I'd also strongly recommend that if you're going to an open forum to ask questions about parts for an elite system: Do not look at taking all of that and submerging it in some sort of liquid, leave that for when you're *really* comfortable with these sorts of things and you don't mind throwing all of that money away if you accidentally do something wrong ;)
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Post » Tue May 29, 2012 1:23 pm

If you've never built a PC, don't start out with a submerged oil-cooler. They look cool and run cool, but it's DEFINITELY not for your first time out.

Rules of thumb:

1. Buy current technology, not latest-greatest technology. You'll save a fortune, skip dealing with bugs (cougar point chipset issues, anyone) and have most of the capability (and probably all the capability you need). A GTX 590 is badass, but not as badass as the 2 GTX 570s you can buy for the same price.

2. Read until you know enough, then read that much again. Reading is free; shipping back the AMD mobo (motherboard) you bought for your Intel CPU is not.

3. Pick what you'll prioritize. If you can keep your old system for storing photos, email, word processing and all that, you can build a system JUST for gaming. That would let you, say, buy a single SSD and not also need a HDD, saving you money without giving you a gaming performance hit.

4. Don't overclock unless you have to (or really, really REALLY want to). If you must, do NOT skimp on your memory, motherboard or especially on your power supply unit (PSU). NEVER OVERCLOCK WITH A STOCK COOLING SYSTEM; there are rare exceptions, but you'll get more longevity and performance with better cooling, anyway. Also, do NOT attempt an overclock until you've played with the stock timing of whatever component you're dying to fry and decided that it must be pushed beyond what the warranty allows. Finally, if you MUST OC, TAKE IT SLOW, READ A GOOD GUIDE, TAKE IT SLOW AND DON'T SKIP ANY STEPS. Also remember to take it slow.

5. Get a UPS (Uninterruptable Power Supply). If you don't know, it's a surge protector that protects you against power fluctuations both up AND down, and it's those down (brown flashes) that will murder your equipment. You don't need a $500 unit that lets you game a full year after a nuclear apocolypse, but you will want enough time to save what you're doing and shut down normally. Mine cost $60 and has saved me twice in 1 year. It doesn't make sense to fry a $2500 comp just to try and save $60.

All that being said, I'm familiar with Intel/Nvida so I'd look in to a second-gen (socket 1155) core i5 or i7 CPU, 2x GTX 570s (with the most memory you can find), a good SSD (last time I looked Intel was king of the quality hill here, but floods in the Phillipines may keep you from getting one), a Seasonic Gold or Platinum 800+ watt system (the best quality available in PSUs, IMO) and a quality mobo that has all the features you need. The ATI cards are badass too (and probably better), but I'm not familiar with them so I won't use them in this example. There's newer tech out there, but it's outrageously expensive and you won't even be maxing this rig for at LEAST a couple years, unless some unknown developer bucks the industry wisdom and pulls a Crysis on us. Even if you don't plan on overclocking, I'd encourage you to put a better cooler on your CPU, just because it's so easy, affordable and another way to protect the heart of your investment.

Do your own research, and remember that what you often get for spending hundreds more on something that's brand new as opposed to pretty new is just incremental improvement. Also keep in mind that most big developers are building games to the capabilities of consoles, and we won't see the next generation of consoles for a year or two. Even then, a modern system built in the next couple months should at least be on par with them, and with your budget you should be able to exceed them easily.
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Post » Tue May 29, 2012 7:06 am

My advice would be to follow Caddywampus' advice...
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Post » Tue May 29, 2012 3:48 am

I made a similar thread recently and got a lot of decent feedback, the PC i have listed in it that i will build soon will run any game today on Ultra and for the next couple years with no problems at all.

http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1337732-cpu-speed-and-performance/


This setup will be around $1200-$1300 but if you wanted to spend more you could upgrade the CPU to the i7 2500k, the GPU to the 580GTX 3g put the extra 8g of ram to make a total of 16g and add a SSD to hold your OS and prime games, this should be future proof for years to come and still stay under $2000.

Just my opinion.
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Post » Tue May 29, 2012 9:24 am

My only comment would be, that it is important not to immerse HDD's into anything, although SDD's might be OK.

I think I read this somewhere as well, and I'll be doing much more research on the oil computer before submerging two grand of hardware in it :P

Want the 'takes no prisoners' best video card for a game like Skyrim? Not just power but vram, the 7970s are currently the big cheese on that front and the cards I'm using were the ones before them. The biggest question you'll want to answer though before any sort of preceeding is what are you going to make that computer display upon? A single run of the mill monitor, or something cooler. Oh and whether you're already got your display or whether that's factoring into things too.

ED: I'd also strongly recommend that if you're going to an open forum to ask questions about parts for an elite system: Do not look at taking all of that and submerging it in some sort of liquid, leave that for when you're *really* comfortable with these sorts of things and you don't mind throwing all of that money away if you accidentally do something wrong :wink:

Currently I have a 20 inch Samsung 1080p monitor as well as a 46 in. Samsung 1080p that I use on occasion, so the display is taken care of.

If you've never built a PC, don't start out with a submerged oil-cooler. They look cool and run cool, but it's DEFINITELY not for your first time out.

Rules of thumb:

1. Buy current technology, not latest-greatest technology. You'll save a fortune, skip dealing with bugs (cougar point chipset issues, anyone) and have most of the capability (and probably all the capability you need). A GTX 590 is badass, but not as badass as the 2 GTX 570s you can buy for the same price.

2. Read until you know enough, then read that much again. Reading is free; shipping back the AMD mobo (motherboard) you bought for your Intel CPU is not.

3. Pick what you'll prioritize. If you can keep your old system for storing photos, email, word processing and all that, you can build a system JUST for gaming. That would let you, say, buy a single SSD and not also need a HDD, saving you money without giving you a gaming performance hit.

4. Don't overclock unless you have to (or really, really REALLY want to). If you must, do NOT skimp on your memory, motherboard or especially on your power supply unit (PSU). NEVER OVERCLOCK WITH A STOCK COOLING SYSTEM; there are rare exceptions, but you'll get more longevity and performance with better cooling, anyway. Also, do NOT attempt an overclock until you've played with the stock timing of whatever component you're dying to fry and decided that it must be pushed beyond what the warranty allows. Finally, if you MUST OC, TAKE IT SLOW, READ A GOOD GUIDE, TAKE IT SLOW AND DON'T SKIP ANY STEPS. Also remember to take it slow.

5. Get a UPS (Uninterruptable Power Supply). If you don't know, it's a surge protector that protects you against power fluctuations both up AND down, and it's those down (brown flashes) that will murder your equipment. You don't need a $500 unit that lets you game a full year after a nuclear apocolypse, but you will want enough time to save what you're doing and shut down normally. Mine cost $60 and has saved me twice in 1 year. It doesn't make sense to fry a $2500 comp just to try and save $60.

All that being said, I'm familiar with Intel/Nvida so I'd look in to a second-gen (socket 1155) core i5 or i7 CPU, 2x GTX 570s (with the most memory you can find), a good SSD (last time I looked Intel was king of the quality hill here, but floods in the Phillipines may keep you from getting one), a Seasonic Gold or Platinum 800+ watt system (the best quality available in PSUs, IMO) and a quality mobo that has all the features you need. The ATI cards are badass too (and probably better), but I'm not familiar with them so I won't use them in this example. There's newer tech out there, but it's outrageously expensive and you won't even be maxing this rig for at LEAST a couple years, unless some unknown developer bucks the industry wisdom and pulls a Crysis on us. Even if you don't plan on overclocking, I'd encourage you to put a better cooler on your CPU, just because it's so easy, affordable and another way to protect the heart of your investment.

Do your own research, and remember that what you often get for spending hundreds more on something that's brand new as opposed to pretty new is just incremental improvement. Also keep in mind that most big developers are building games to the capabilities of consoles, and we won't see the next generation of consoles for a year or two. Even then, a modern system built in the next couple months should at least be on par with them, and with your budget you should be able to exceed them easily.

This is useful. I should have made it clear that I've built every desktop PC I've ever owned (and as a rule by Mac's for laptops) which is why I'm thinking about taking it one step further and doing something crazy with the mineral oil. Its just that its been literally more than a decade since I've done this. I still retain the skills, I just am not up to date on the tech :P

I'm building this rig specifically for gaming and keep all of my personal things on my laptop as I travel a lot. I don't plan on Overclocking (I never got into this fad), a UPS is a given it seems. From the small amount I've read about them it looks like I'll be taking some serious looks at a high end i7. Intel isn't going to come out with an i9 in 3 months are they? :P

I made a similar thread recently and got a lot of decent feedback, the PC i have listed in it that i will build soon will run any game today on Ultra and for the next couple years with no problems at all. http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1337732-cpu-speed-and-performance/ This setup will be around $1200-$1300 but if you wanted to spend more you could upgrade the CPU to the i7 2500k, the GPU to the 580GTX 3g put the extra 8g of ram to make a total of 16g and add a SSD to hold your OS and prime games, this should be future proof for years to come and still stay under $2000. Just my opinion.


I'll take a look at it! Thanks for the link :foodndrink:
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Post » Tue May 29, 2012 11:54 am

Well with that budget you can build what I'd call the end all be all of rigs.

I believe Newegg has some tips and tricks in the matter of computer building/choosing the right components et cetera. Take a look there.
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Post » Tue May 29, 2012 2:36 am

I would also suggest caddywampus's idea. But I would add, with a z68 mobo which I would suggest, also get a 60 or 64 gb SSD to use as a cache drive. Then you get a larger say 1 or 2 tb hdd. Basically what this does is it stores programs you use the most on the cache drive which is very fast. New programs will load of the HDD but will get stored on the ssd, so the next time you load the program it will load off the ssd very quickly. Ive been using this in my system for awhile and it ha been amazing.

Aside from that an intel i7 2600k, 2x GTX 570's, and 12 gigs of 1866 RAM is what I would recommend for your price point.
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Post » Tue May 29, 2012 6:24 am

Intel isn't going to come out with an i9 in 3 months are they?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116491
LGA 2011 is the newest thing on the market, but that... almost half your budget would be going to the CPU and no game will need that kind of power for ten years (I'd guess). The 2600k (high end, unlocked i7) is actually stupidly easy to OC when compared to older CPUs; Intel basically embraced the overclocker market and gave them a big gift with that one. I try really hard to scare people away from OCing because I don't really trust most people to have the patience to not fry their system.

It's nice to meet other people who build PCs rather than just walk into Best Buy and ask for "the one with the most FPS." The thing with oil cooling is that NOTHING THAT MOVES can be in the oil, with the exception of fans to stir. That means that any optical drives or HDDs need to stay dry.

The other thing to remember is that oil doesn't have the specific heat that water has, so it will get hotter faster than water. Even though you're submerging the electronics, you STILL need a stout pump and some serious radiator area to keep things from overheating; you'll need to pump oil into the radiator(s) from one end of the case and out on the other end. I have no clue on how to determine how much radiator is "enough," so my OWN response would be overkill. It's hard to have too much cooling. There's a pretty good walkthrough of one person's efforts http://www.bit-tech.net/modding/case-mod/2010/09/15/the-mineral-oil-pc-by-andrew-mollman/3 and you may have already seen that one.
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Post » Tue May 29, 2012 9:00 am

I would also suggest caddywampus's idea. But I would add, with a z68 mobo which I would suggest, also get a 60 or 64 gb SSD to use as a cache drive. Then you get a larger say 1 or 2 tb hdd. Basically what this does is it stores programs you use the most on the cache drive which is very fast. New programs will load of the HDD but will get stored on the ssd, so the next time you load the program it will load off the ssd very quickly. Ive been using this in my system for awhile and it ha been amazing.

I did a similar thing when putting together my latest PC; I have Windows and all "essential, everyday" stuff (e.g. antivirus, web browser) on the 120 GB striped SSD array, and all of the "big" stuff (games and other apps) in a fast 1.5 TB "normal" HDD. Seems to work OK. :)
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Post » Tue May 29, 2012 11:27 am

Okay PC experts,

Here's the deal, I need a gaming computer. My current rig hasn't been able to satisfactorily handle games since 1998


There already IS a correct thread for this question, in another forum. It belongs HERE:

http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1328500-the-community-tech-thread-no-111/
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Post » Mon May 28, 2012 10:08 pm

Out of curiosity, if you have no intention of OCing why the interest in cooling with mineral oil?
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Post » Tue May 29, 2012 1:04 pm

Out of curiosity, if you have no intention of OCing why the interest in cooling with mineral oil?

Actually, in one of my many pipe-dreaming sessions, I thought up the idea of a beautiful hand-blown glass computer case, filled with oil, complete with light shows. It does look pretty cool.
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Post » Tue May 29, 2012 3:37 am

Sounds like ma bong=p


Sorry, had too!
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Post » Tue May 29, 2012 12:00 pm

I actually did a major upgrade myself today. I had to make a trade off between CPU and Graphics card as I really wanted the i7-2600 3.4Ghz processor which took a decent chunk out of my budget.

I just finished building this:

Processor - Intel i7-2600 3.4 Ghz
Main Board - Asus P8H66-M
RAM - 12GB DDR3 1333
HDD - 500GB Hitachi (Salvaged form previous rig)
Graphics Card - Gigabyte GTX 560 1GB DDR5 256bit
LG W2343 23 inch wide screen LCD monitor

I would have liked to put even more oomph into my new rig but this was basically the best I could afford right now. I probably could have gone for an i5 processor and spend more on the graphics but I muck around with 3d modeling apps as well and they need CPU power for rendering. All in all I'm happy with what I managed to fit into my budget. All that's left now is a 1kW PSU and a case with better airflow.

So yeah, figure out what you want to do with your rig and what you can afford and go for it. ;)

Edit: Forgot about the ginormous monitor. Lol.
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Post » Tue May 29, 2012 10:28 am

Gigabyte GA-P67A-UD3 REV B3
500GB Samsung Spinpoint F3 HD502HJ
Corsair 8GB (2x4096MB) 1600MHz XMS3
Intel Core i5 2500K 3,3GHz
PowerColor Radeon HD6950 2GB
Cooler Master Elite 430
Corsair CX 600W V2 80+
Samsung SH-222AB, SATA Black OEM

This is my rig..
Maxes all games out there...
cost me about 1200$ a year ago
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Post » Tue May 29, 2012 1:06 pm

well lets see less than 2 grand.....
you could get.....
ASUS Sabertooth 990FX AMD AM3+ TUF Motherboard
AMD FX-8150 Processor
Corsair Vengeance LP Blue Desktop Memory Kit - 16GB (4x 4GB)
MSI Radeon HD 5770 Video Card - 1GB GDDR5
Kingwin AZER 1000w Power Supply
Seagate Barracuda Hard Drive - 1TB, SATA 6Gbps, 7200 RPM, 32MB
Cooler Master Elite 430 Mid Tower ATX Case <---sixy case! very easy to open and install parts in) may want to buy 5 120mm fans for better cooling. 2 for top, 2 for bottom, 1 for back. caution! do not place on carpet, may svck in dust!
the total would be $1158.18 including tax since shipping is free from tigerdirect.com
i left off a cd drive, keyboard & mouse because u could take those from ur other computer if u want.
optional stuff....
Patriot Pyro SE Solid State Drive - 60GB $89.99 (as boot drive)
LG Internal 24x DVDRW Drive $29.99 (if u don't want your old one)
WD VelociRaptor WD6000HLHX 3.5" Hard Drive - 600GB $269.99 (may be smaller that the 1TB hdd but is a lot faster. I know i like it!)
Razer Lycosa Gaming Keyboard $63.99 (in case u want a sixy keyboard)
Razer Abyssus Gaming Mouse $39.99 (in case u want a sixy mouse)

if i had the money i'd buy this build!
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