Wow, so much spam and flaming.

*reported*

Economy is why piracy exists.

People like you is why Steam exists

It is stealing. You are acquiring a copy of a game without the owner's permission or paying the money owed for said copy.

Broken or not, Skyrim is worth $60 more so than most of the games out there.

And yes, piracy is stealing. You are acquiring a game without paying for it and thus making the video game company lose money.

But... OP isn't saying he or she pirated the game because it svcks or that he or she pirated the game at all, OP is saying it wasn't worth the 60 dollars that he or she dropped on it and OP feels like he or she got scammed. (Cuz the game dunt work lol)

Also, reviews are very excellent objective sources for information about bugs. That's why PC Gamer once had to switch out 3 computers to get a PC exclusive game to work, then still gave it a 90%.

Stealing = Missing an Original. Someone steals your car at night and it's not there.

Piracy = Illegal copy of something. Someone steals your car at night and it's still there... In fact it's duplicated which is the plus side... And they can sell the car... and make money...

All in all... Piracy is the Real Life way of duplicating! It's not bad at all! In fact it's good! MOAR GAMEZ FER EVRY1!!!!!

You just won the thread

I love you. We need to make love sometime.

It is stealing.
ANNNDD if I wanted to I could've returned Skyrim for something else. JS.

I do feel bad for those whose game do not work, I really do. Using it as an excuse for pirating doesn't sit well with me.

The only excuse for piracy as I see it, is in absence of a demo, after which you either buy or delete the game. Even then there's reviews.


Might as well skip the pleasantries right Like I said, I feel sorry for anyone whose game isn't working properly but I'm also getting fed up with the (imo) unjustified cries of outrage. Yes the game is bugged, it's also being worked on. I don't see Bethesda stopping patches on a game this big until it's working properly, on all platforms.

I couldn't have said it better myself.

Actually that can be debated. A game is a piece of data. If you create a copy of a car(for example), it is not owned by anyone else than the creator. Same can be said about data.

But really it's just a matter of Right and Wrong, which is personal, thus there is no legitimate answer.

Your quote is in my reply! or whatever it's called... OH NO! I PIRATED YOUR QUOTE! NOW YOU CAN SUE ME! SHIIIIITTT0X

Appears there is a general misunderstanding of unlawful copying and distribution versus theft.

SO do you need to sneak to pirate? And what level of pick pocket do you need? Do you need lockpick at all? And do the armor you wear affect the chance of pirating? Do tell?

Uh, what? I have too many hours into this game and it's hardly broken. You're a childish self-entitled brat.
Bethesda is the reason games like Skyrim are even made.

Because charging $15 for a movie ticket and $5 for a soda isn't thieving. Don't defend the media industry, they are not victims.

No, you are making a new copy of the game without paying, which is illegal. It's not stealing, it's piracy. It's a different legal term.



Not true.

It's not a given that otherwise the pirate would have bought the game. Which touches the essential difference between piracy and stealing. With a missing original, the owner cannot sell that particular original anymore to someone else, and thus it's guaranteed that the owner lost money. When a pirate makes an illegal (new) copy, the owner only lost money if the pirate had bought a copy otherwise, which is not necessarily the case. I personally think that this is more often the case than not, but it does not matter. It's still illegal.


Nope, read the above.

I don't support piracy but to call it stealing is hyperbole. Not only is the original owner not deprived of his or her property, but there isn't even a guarantee that the pirate would've purchased the game (and thus no business is lost). The only real harmful effect it seems is that people who did pay for the game feel cheated.

I can't. Also, it's not that piracy isn't wrong, it's that it isn't stealing. (As in, theft, within terms of THE LAW.)

Here's how it works.

Someone copies a game to their computer and "cracks it". This is a violation of IP laws, reverse engineering software, or pretty much anything you can actually charge someone for. However, the person violating a copyright is not stealing a product and depriving that company of a copy of that product. So they've got a bootleg copy of the same product, but did not remove any copies of the game from the store or steal any CD keys or whatever have you. From a moral standpoint, this is wrong to a great deal of people, but it does not legally qualify as theft, because nothing is taken.

In essence, those aren't lost sales, but lost sale opportunities. Just because someone is willing to get something for free, doesn't mean they're willing to pay for it. This is akin to people not buying bottled water at Disney World because they feel it's overpriced, but they simply go to a drinking fountain.

A correct anology however would be, someone copies a book and hands them out to random people. It's wrong yes, but the people taking the books haven't stolen anything.

Not just you - everyone can stay out of it as it is not a permitted topic on these forums.