Ulfric and his dossier...

Post » Thu May 31, 2012 3:59 pm

Ulfric isn't written as a racist character, and anyone who says that Ulfric Stormcloak is a bigot is either a.) an idiot, b.) a liar (what kind of person lies about video game stories?), or c.) just has trouble with reading and listening comprehension.

Being this is the gamesas forums, I am going with choice a).
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Nikki Morse
 
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Post » Thu May 31, 2012 1:25 pm

Ulfric main problem: racism against other races...
In the end of the civil war quest he keep being a racist.

Tullius main problem: racism against nords...
In the end of the civil war quest.... he start to respect the nords...

Yeah, Ulfric is a odd boy.
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Post » Thu May 31, 2012 12:13 pm

Thus, by assisting the Stormcloaks, you are assisting the Thalmor. Even if Ulfic turned his back on them later, the Thalmor would have much easier time to fight two broken nations that hate each others' guts, than one unified Empire.

I doubt this very much. The empire has already bent over to the pointy-eared menace and they will do it again. If Skyrim chooses to defend, I find it hard to assume the Thalmor would be able to accomplish anything more than they did in Hammerfell...which is nothing.

Skyrim doesn't need the empire. The empire needs Skyrim.
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marina
 
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Post » Thu May 31, 2012 10:14 pm

Sorry but I laugh at everyone for saying that Ulfric is racist. He lets Dunmer live in his city. Ok it's a slum but at least it's SOMETHING.
Theres an ALTMER (!!!) shopkeeper in the city. He lets her run this shop because she has proven to be trustworthy even though it's the Aldmeri Dominion that he hates so much and they are, in fact, the Altmer.

He just doesn't trust every jerk that comes to his city.

And please shut up about the "poor poor Dunmer". Remember Morrowind? EVERY DUNMER HATED YOU BECAUSE YOU WERE NOT ONE OF THEM! They even hated you if you WERE a Dunmer yourself just because you had not been born in Morrowind.

The human races in general are the least racist people in Tamriel.
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Amy Masters
 
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Post » Thu May 31, 2012 10:34 am

It's weird that Ulfric is supposedly a racist, while having the largest population of elves in the game. Despite his supposed hatred for them, 4 out of 6 shops in the city are run by elves. 2 of them Altmer, 1 of those thinking the Dunmer are simply unwilling to work for it. Dunmer owned farms only show up in Stormcloak territory, too. One by Riften, one by Windhelm.

I'm just saying, this supposed racist leads the most racially diverse half of Skyrim. The other half has what, two Altmer running a shop in Solitude?

He doesn't help elves, that much seems credible, and there's nothing to suggest otherwise. But the rest seems like propaganda or exaggeration.

Tullius main problem: racism against nords...
I thought his main problem was summary execution without trial. Or, in some cases, even without charge.
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Michael Russ
 
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Post » Thu May 31, 2012 5:34 pm

It's weird that Ulfric is supposedly a racist, while having the largest population of elves in the game.

You raise some interesting points.

One almost gets the impression that Ulfric's governance is walking a line between overt racism, needed to satisfy his xenophobic "Skyrim for the Nords!" allies, and passive racial tolerance because he's not a wholly bad guy. He has the most mer in his district, but they are still a huge minority and they don't seem to serve in his military or bring anything to his power, so a selfish "I tolerate them because they are good for me" motive doesn't seem to fit.
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Post » Thu May 31, 2012 9:40 am

I think some of it is an attitude of "We helped you out when you were in trouble and when we ask you to help us out in return you don't."(The door swings both ways here. It wasn't the nords problem that Red Mountain erupted and the argonians attacked the remnants of the Dunmer.) Mede I didn't really care much about the other provinces during his reign.(Completely ignored the argonian invasion) If the nords had wanted to, they could have completely genocided the refugees and mede wouldn't have given a single thought to it.

It is interesting how many elf shopkeepers there are though

Nurelion(Altmer) - Alchemy Shop
Niranye(Altmer) - General Store
Ulundil(Altmer) - Stable Owner
Revyn Sadri(Dunmer) - General Store
Aval Atheron(Dunmer) - Butcher
Ambarys Rendar(Dunmer) - Tavern Owner

Compared to

Oengur War-Anvil(Nord) - Smith
Hillevi Cruel-Sea(Nord) - Produce
Elda Early-Dawn(Nord) - Tavern Owner

I believe there's a dark elf farm nearby with a nord working in it too.
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Post » Thu May 31, 2012 11:51 pm

It is interesting how many elf shopkeepers there are though
I think one of the Altmer said that the elves are accepted if they prove themselves useful.
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Post » Thu May 31, 2012 3:22 pm

Yeah, it's kinda hard to pin Ulfric down as an outright racist. Nationalist, sure, but it's true that Windhelm is a pretty diverse place compared to other cities in Skyrim.

It was actually Torygg that allowed the Dunmer refugees to settle there.

It's Hlaalu farm that's outside Windhelm. One of the Dunmer farmers will remark that he's trying to earn Nord respect by working hard. Yet, there's some truth to the notion that the Dunmer in Windhelm are reluctant to support Ulfric - check the upstairs of the New Gnisis cornerhouse. There's a set of Imperial armor stashed up there.

The Dunmer of Windhelm have their reasons, if they're unhappy about Torygg having been killed by Ulfric. But it's arguable that they still owe Skyrim a debt of gratitude.

It's all quite as clear as mud, yet it's nice to see an ambiguous political morass return to The Elder Scrolls.

My Breton hasn't chosen a side. Ulfric shut down a revolt by the Reachmen, and the Empire said, "Thanks!". Doesn't really endear her to either faction at all.
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Post » Thu May 31, 2012 5:02 pm

My Breton hasn't chosen a side. Ulfric shut down a revolt by the Reachmen, and the Empire said, "Thanks!". Doesn't really endear her to either faction at all.

High Rock doesn't like the reachmen either. The reachmen worship daedra by sacrificing innocents to them, have witches perform rituals on themselves so that they lose their humanity, and generally kill anyone who isn't a Reachman.

Also it wasn't Torygg that had the dunmer settle in Windhelm. It was either his predecessor or the high king before him.(The dunmer arrived in Skyrim about 150-160 years before skyrim takes place)
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