So, I sympathize with the Stormcloak's stated goals. But I've also heard bad things about Ulfric himself, that he is racist and bloodthirsty (See: Markath purge). But I have found a document that suggests that Thalmor were involved with his affairs in some fashion, which makes me doubt whether his bad reputation is actually well deserved or not. The game does not let me confront him with this file to see what his reaction would be, which I consider a rather serious hole created by the quest/story writers.

So, without spoiling TOO much, does the issue ever become cleared up later on? Whether he's evil by nature, or if he has been manipulated?

I'm afraid not. All you have is that dossier. The wording of it I found to be ambiguous. I get the impression that the Thalmor were aware of that simply releasing him from their prisons would cause the chaos in Skyrim. Makes you wonder if the Thalmor have similar "assets" to be released into Highrock and Morrowind.

As far as I can tell, Ulric is indeed bloodthirsty and racist - there's been a few comparisons between BNP and Stormcloak ideals. The Thalmor haven't interacted with him directly in a while - the dossier you've got explicitly states that a Stormcloak victory is not in their interests. So, I think, Ulric on his own personal, racist crusade, and the Thamlmor are supplying indirect aid in order to keep the civil war going.

Could you point out why Ulfric is a racist? I have yet to hear him say anything explicitly racist.

When you first enter Windhelm. Everyone but Nord are practically persecuted. Or any Non-Nord problems are not addressed, and it's stated that Ulfric pretty much wants to keep all the Non-Nords in their slum.

Indeed. There's a veteran that wanders in the Dunmer district that talks about this. The jarl sends out troops any time Nord interests are threatened, but non-Nord issues (like Dunmer refugee convoys being ambushed) are simply ignored.

I thought of this as war-time paranoia. Like how the blacksmith in Whiterun(female Imperial) says that the Stormcloaks prefer to buy their swords and armour from Nords - trust issues.


I agree that this prioritizing seems a bit racist, but do you think that Ulfric would do the same in a situation where he DID have the necessary resources?


Not by Ulfric himself. He seems entirely uninterested in the goings on in the slums of Windhelm. The situation in Windhelm slums is older than this conflict(I believe). It is due to the many refugees from Morrowind. The Altmer in the market square has a very different view on things compared to the Dunmer of Windhelm.


I can definitely see why people would get the impression that Ulfric is racist, but I just don't see "enough evidence to convict". In order for him to be a racist - you have to fill out some blanks yourself.

No, it's wartime racism The stormcloaks have mad eit more acceptable for the nords to be mroe openly racist, so those who are show it more clearly.

And more no mistake, Ulfric is theJarl of windhelm is he not? if non nords were also treated poorly before the uprising it was entirely his fault aswell. He simply doesn't care about non nords, and wants them out of skyrim if possible. As for the alter, yea but that's because she's spent her time licking the nord's boots being as useful to them as possible in order for them to accept her.

How so?

Being an insufficient ruler does not make him racist. From where do you derive his intention? (the driving the Dunmer out of Skyrim part)

You see it, you're just denying it.

Even without racism, he's still kind of a dike.

How is this not racist?

Ulfric's not a real racist, he's just looking after his own. Nords in town are mad because Ulfric was the one who invited the Dunmer to live in Windhelm.

He has a lot of racist bandwagoners, and there'll be some interracial tensions if he wins, but it's not his ideals. In the very first speech he makes he only mentions freeing his people; he does not condemn any other race, he simply wants his people to be independent.

Besides, people are forgetting that a huge amount of Imperials are openly racist about the Khajit and Argonians in Oblivion; many also dislike elves. I seem to remember the legion guards themselves making slurs if you fight them as an elf character.

It's not who's racist and who's not; it's a case of whose ideals do you ultimately think will be better for Skyrim?

Plus really, if so nords are bullying Dunmer...who cares? Nords in nature are very proud and natinalistic and what not and I dont think any nord would be happy with a [censored] ton of elves coming and clogging up their city. And I agree above, I havent seen enough evidence to condemn Ulfric to be racist, the nords of the city, yes, but not Ulfric. Plus you dont see the mayor of lets say, New York, going out into the city to stop and quell any racism or bullying.

You quoted the wrong person. Your quote came from infernal's post - he agrees with you.

No I didn't. It's supporting the argument, and mostly true from what I gathered in-game. I was asking you, while quoting that.

In that case, I apologize.
My original response to the quote still stands. "From where do you derive his intention? (the driving the Dunmer out of Skyrim part) "

Becuase the whole message of the stormcloaks and what they say pretty much all the time is skyrim for the nords and "real" nords should come fight for the stormcloaks. Guess what might happen this type of thinking takes over the rule of Skyrim.

I can tell you what does happen.

haha yea, but thats because the civil war questlines might aswell not even be there, completing them does nothing and gives you nothing ^^

Was racist towards my dunmer as if she was beneath him lol.
Ulfric a legend in his own mind.

Ulrfic Stormcloak is a stupid and dumb person I hates his guts! He selfish and racist And even lied of How he killed the high king!(He sword actually killed him not his thum)!

Uhm, I do recall Ulfric saying his Thu'um was NOT what killed him, but his sword through his chest.

Ulfric himself says the has Thu'um didnt kill the king, he challenged the king to a traditional nord right of single combat and he did use a thu'um, but it was hi sword that killed the king.

I'm really disappointed they don't let you present Ulfric with the dossier.

Thus, by assisting the Stormcloaks, you are assisting the Thalmor. Even if Ulfic turned his back on them later, the Thalmor would have much easier time to fight two broken nations that hate each others' guts, than one unified Empire.